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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

I do not want to pre-empt the short-life working group鈥檚 work on data. We understand that there is not always a direct relationship between rateable value and the performance of a business鈥攖hat is self-evident. The key issue is the lack of data, as the Fraser of Allander Institute report identified. In order to have an informed discussion and more informed engagement on the future of non-domestic rates, we must first address the data issue. Although, as I said, I do not want to pre-empt the work of the short-life working group, I do not see that as the end鈥攔ather, it is the beginning鈥攐f the process. I recognise the issues that you have raised.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

As I am sure you will appreciate, Mr Beattie, I have on-going engagement with a range of sectors on non-domestic rates.

I add that we provide the most generous package of reliefs anywhere in the UK, which has totalled 拢1.6 billion since the start of the pandemic. This year, it is estimated that NDR reliefs will have a value of about 拢802 million and that the small business bonus scheme will lift 111,000 properties out of paying non-domestic rates. I am sure that, if any of us were to go on to an assessors portal and look at the high streets in our own constituencies and regions, we would see many businesses that benefit from non-domestic rates relief. That is why it is no surprise that the Federation of Small Businesses has been so clear in its calls for the small business bonus scheme to be maintained. As the Fraser of Allander Institute report has recognised, it is also clear that many small businesses see the scheme as being of immense value to their profitability and viability.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

I am happy to take that away. These conversations will become more regular as we move towards introducing legislation that will reform CPOs and deal with CSOs as well. In particular, we will be thinking more broadly about land assembly and unlocking opportunities in town centres where, for example, one building that is not in public ownership can be the barrier to a regeneration project taking place.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

I have made this point several times, but we all recognise that the existing assets鈥攖he community and the people鈥攁re fundamental. The approach must be driven by the local community and the pride that they take in their place.

When it comes to the support that is provided, design must be carried out and decisions must be taken at the local level, with support for delivery coming from other partners. Cultural interventions must be made with the community and must reflect the community鈥檚 identity, values and history. They are most impactful when that happens.

That brings us back to the point that regeneration is about not just bricks and mortar but a state of mind. Culture can have an important role in changing attitudes to a place and helping to reframe how people think about their communities. That is an important part of the regeneration journey.

David, do you have any comments to make about how culture has informed the work that has been going on over the past decade in regeneration?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

In response to your second point, I say that that is about our tolerance for risk and the trust that we have in community organisations to deliver. Clearly, because public money is involved, there is a need to ensure that we get best value and that there is full transparency and accountability. However, I recognise the need to have tolerance for risk. Although the investments that have been made have gone through a rigorous process, we can never eliminate risk, and those investments have been worthwhile.

The local community in Linwood had a very challenging experience鈥攅specially the people in Linwood Community Development Trust, who led the project. There were times when their applications for funding were unsuccessful and they had significant setbacks. At such points, many community groups would feel that they could not go any further, but that group had support and was ultimately able to deliver. I take your point on that very seriously, and I reflect on the issue regularly.

When we talk about an entrepreneurial culture, we are not talking only about corporate entrepreneurialism but about community entrepreneurialism, and having risk tolerance is essential, culturally, in realising community wealth building.

In response to your question about centralised resource, I want to say that there is often very significant and sustained engagement between Scottish Government officials and local groups鈥攏ot only in my portfolio on regeneration, but in relation to land. I invite David Cowan to say a few words about how Government engages directly with local communities at official level.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

That is another important question. When I made the statement to Parliament on the draft NPF4, I said that that would be a priority鈥攕pecifically in relation to resourcing and planning. The documents and strategies are nothing if they are not delivered and actioned on the ground.

I have to respect the autonomy of local government to decide how it allocates its resources, but the early action that we have taken from April this year means that planning fees have increased, and there is evidence that that is feeding into increased resources for planning departments across the country. For example, I am sure that you will know that a number of planning positions are being advertised by Fife Council. I am also aware that other local authorities are looking at how they can use the resources that are being gained from the increase in planning fees to enable them to provide additional capacity in their departments.

Another important piece of work is through the high-level group on planning performance. We provided support for Heads of Planning Scotland and the Royal Town Planning Institute to do work on a future planners project. Their report has been received; I am not yet aware of whether HOPS has published it, but I understand that it will do so. We will work very closely, through the high-level group, on how we can action that. That project is about increasing the number of people who come into the planning profession, and about ensuring that we are able to retain those who already work in planning.

We have taken early action on resourcing through planning fees. I am committed to working with the high-level group to look towards full cost recovery. The issue is complex鈥攁s the committee is aware鈥攂ut, through partnership working, we are endeavouring to make progress.

On recruitment and retention, we have supported RTPI and HOPS to do work on the future planners project, and we continue to have discussions about how we can act on some of the proposals in the report.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

We all recognise that problem from our own constituencies and regions. We are doing two things. The first and most immediate thing is that we will devolve empty property relief to local government. That will happen from April next year. The second thing is the commitment in the programme for government to reform compulsory purchase orders and to consider compulsory sales orders. The committee will appreciate that that is a complex piece of work that will require time. I understand the need for pace and urgency, but we need to get that right. Our commitment is that we intend to introduce legislation later in this session of Parliament to reform CPOs.

There is a more general need to make it more viable and attractive for property owners to use or rent out properties. I know that the committee heard evidence about the processes that are involved in changing the use class of a property. We are actively consulting on that at the moment: we are consulting on phase 2 of the permitted development rights review. That is a live consultation: we opened it last month and it will continue until August. It is looking at simplifying the process for use class orders and at aspects of permitted development rights.

On tackling absentee landlords, our immediate actions are devolution of empty property relief and reform of CPOs and CSOs.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

Yes. Specifically, the ILG will be looking at NSET through a retail lens to see what role retail plays in realising that vision, and to recognise how the priorities within NSET relate to retail. For example, the offer of a lifelong commitment to upskilling is in the national strategy for economic transformation, and that is clearly related to what we are looking to do around retail. We are talking about ensuring that workforces are continuously upskilled as technology-driven change impacts on what it means to work within the retail sector.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

Yes. I will correct this with the committee if I am wrong, but from memory, section 80B of Scotland Act allows new taxes to be created. The process requires engagement and agreement with the UK Government and Parliament, but the provision was added鈥擨 cannot remember whether it was to the 2012 or the 2016 act, but it is there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Tom Arthur

It is important to recognise that since their inception鈥攆rom memory, the legislation, which is still in force, goes back to 1854鈥攏on-domestic rates have been a tax on land and heritages. To move away from that would be a fundamental shift.

Earlier, I referred to the work undertaken by the UK Government that was published in autumn 2021, which concluded that a broad property-based tax is still relevant鈥攊f I remember correctly. That was what came out of the Barclay review, too.

There would have to be clarity about what would replace a property-based tax. To date, no proposals have come forward. Different views and opinions are articulated about what could potentially replace a property tax, but they still have a relationship to land and property, so to speak, rather than being a tax that is effectively a sales tax or something along those lines.

We have no plans to move away from the existing systems. However, as I have always said, I am happy to hear ideas and discuss different views if people want to put those forward. The issue has been considered in Scotland and England and there has not been a clear, convincing proposition for what should replace non-domestic rates. At the moment the focus is on maintaining stability in the system, the commitment to the small business bonus and seeing through the revaluation next year.