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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

The total health spend is up with those additional allocations. I suppose that the point that you are driving at is about presentation and understanding—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

Do you have the details of the underspends in front of you, Niall?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

Annex A in the document provides a breakdown of the additional funding in the fiscal resource funding envelope. Niall Caldwell can talk you through that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

You have hit the nail on the head, because that is the nature of demand-led budgets.

It is important to recognise that the total of the various lines that you identified is still significantly less than 1 per cent of the total Scottish Government budget. Therefore, although it is a significant amount of money in and of itself in absolute terms, it is quite small relative to the whole Scottish budget.

We continue to learn and refine with each budget. The important point to recognise in relation to many of those particular demand-led schemes is that there is no change to criteria or eligibility; ultimately, it reflects the demand that exists. The past financial year has of course been extraordinary, given the macroeconomic factors at play in the form of a combination of the legacy of the pandemic and the significant inflation that we have seen as a consequence of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which I know that we all recognise is impacting the economy not only in Scotland but right across the United Kingdom and, indeed, the wider world.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

One of the portfolios that you identified contains social security and local government, which I recognise are two very significant elements of the Scottish budget. Of course, within the broader changes that take place are the usual and routine transfers that take place between the portfolio to which a budget is allocated at budget and the portfolio where delivery takes place.

Niall Caldwell might want to come in on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

Ultimately, the issue is to do with accounting requirements. Given the technical nature of it, Niall Caldwell might want to unpack that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

I am conscious that there is keen interest in where there is discretionary spend—money that the Scottish Government can spend on public services or a range of other activities—but there is other funding that is non-discretionary, which does not always command the same attention in the political debate. Given the interests that the committee has expressed, I will be happy to write back to the committee to provide more detail on the area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

To clarify, I referred to discussions that I have not had; I cannot speak on behalf of colleagues or other officials.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

The total cost to build the ferries since they came into public ownership will be taken to £202.6 million, inclusive of £6.2 million of contingency costs.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Tom Arthur

It will be, but the process that is in place allows for year-on-year comparison of spending in particular areas, so if we were to change the approach it would make that comparison more challenging.

I recognise your point about comparing the spring budget revision with the autumn revision in the document rather than comparing the spring budget revision with the budget act as passed. If we pass a budget in which we see spending in health that does not start off in health, I can understand that some would argue that that could be a source of confusion, or that it could be seen as not optimal for transparency.

However, there are trade-offs. I understand your point: why have that transfer take place if it is understood that the intention is, and past patterns of budget demonstrate, that the spend will end up in a particular area? However, there is an advantage in having clarity about the policy intent of the spend.