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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Tom Arthur

Of course. The convener alluded to the ambitions on job creation at both sites. If those are realised and provide high-quality and high-paying jobs, it follows that there would be a significant return on investment relative to LBTT exemptions, for example.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Tom Arthur

I have spoken previously about one of the key aspects being consistency with the SDLT arrangements elsewhere in the UK. However, ultimately, the benefit that is going to be conferred is development. I apologise for labouring this point, but it is development that would otherwise not have taken place. It is not as if there is potential competitive advantage for one particular model of company over another, or the potential of alternative development taking place on the site. It is about whether development takes place or not, or whether it takes place to its full potential. That is the rationale that underpins the relief in relation to underdeveloped or undeveloped land.

That aspect focuses on the fact that the relief will be accessible only if development takes place. If there is a transaction and a commitment to development, but such development does not take place within three years, the relief will be withdrawn. There has to be development. The second aspect is the broader parity that we have sought with regard to the arrangements elsewhere in the UK. Laura Duffy might want to comment on where we have sought parity on the arrangements for freeports and where we have diverged.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Tom Arthur

LBTT relief sits separate from the other reliefs. The way in which LBTT is constructed as a tax is that it is transactional—it is based on the transaction. Earlier I set out the criteria for when that could be withdrawn—that is, when development does not take place within the control area.

As for the broader points on fair work and monitoring, those must be evidenced through the outline business case and go into the full business case. Laura Duffy might want to add to that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Tom Arthur

I agree with what Councillor Heddle has said, particularly on subsidiarity and recognising local government’s statutory oversight of community councils. I also agree with his point about not taking an overly prescriptive approach and recognising that different models might be suited to different areas. It is important that we go through the democracy matters process and are collectively open to the outcome. Any next steps would be taken in accordance with the principles of the Verity house agreement, through close partnership working.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Tom Arthur

Thank you for the questions. I join all of you in wishing our community councils—all roughly 1,200 of them across the country—a very happy 50th birthday. I certainly know, from my experience as a constituency representative, the invaluable contribution that they make to communities in undertaking a range of activities and providing important insight and scrutiny for the decisions that are taken not just by councils but by parliamentarians.

I will ask Mr FitzPatrick whether he wants to come in on any specific aspects of the Verity house agreement. I think that community councils have a very important role to play. As we undertake the second phase of the democracy matters programme and consider the ways in which further power can be put in the hands of communities, I go into that process with no pre-set ideas of what the outcome should be. That could lead to calls or suggestions for a more enhanced role for community councils.

I am conscious that the committee might have some interest in the parish council model south of the border and how that links in with the quite varied landscape of local government in England—there is sometimes almost a tripartite structure, with the district and county councils.

I am not going into that process with any pre-set ideas about what the future of community councils should be. It is imperative that, as the review progresses, any of the ideas that are put forward are considered in consultation and collaboratively with our partners in local government and with communities, recognising that various models, including new models, might emerge from the review process, which might enhance the current structure of community councils.

10:15  

As I said, community councils do an invaluable job and make a huge contribution to Scotland. I want to work constructively to maximise their impact. If, through our deliberations and engagement, we land on a position that involves an enhanced role for them in statute, I would not close off that option at this stage.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Tom Arthur

I have two points to add. First, it would be remiss of us not to recognise the huge contribution that many partner organisations that are supported by the Scottish Government, such as the Development Trusts Association Scotland and the Scottish Community Development Centre, make directly to communities.

Secondly, I very much recognise the concerns that the convener has expressed about the funding environment in which we operate. We all understand that a cascading effect occurs when budgets are set by the UK Government, the impact that that has on our ability to forward plan and the subsequent impact that that has on local government and other partner organisations, despite the degree of certainty or confidence that we seek to provide through medium-term financial strategies and indicative budgets. I also recognise the specific challenge that exists around resourcing to provide the level of engagement that we want.

It is important to bear in mind that, when we speak about engagement, for example with local government, there is an element of it almost being viewed as something additional. Part of the agenda of empowerment, the review of local governance and the move to a more participative form of democracy involves no longer viewing such engagement as something additional but integrating it as part of the approach. With community wealth building, the situation is analogous.

When it comes to the economic element and the democratising of our economy, some of the narrative is about that being something additional. Additional support is required in that transitional phase, but the destination is something that is much more integrated and mainstream. That is an important point. Notwithstanding that these are medium-term to long-term aspirations that we will seek to advance in partnership, there is a continuing need for support in the immediate term.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Tom Arthur

Thank you very much, convener, and good morning to the committee. I will, of course, leave the specific points about community planning partnerships for my colleague, Mr FitzPatrick, to respond to on behalf of the Government, as the lead minister.

With regards to the broader question of community, there are recognised terms such as “community of place” and “community of interest”, but ensuring that communities have space to define and understand themselves is paramount, so that they are able to engage with public services through the shared understanding that they have developed of their own identity as a community. I take that very seriously in the work that I lead on community wealth building and the work more widely around community empowerment, whether that is through participation requests, asset transfers, the wider work that we are doing around the review of the 2015 act or the work that we are undertaking on the review of local governance—the key word being “governance”, not “government”.

Working with communities and exploring, in partnership with COSLA, ways in which we can empower communities further and place more resources and decision-making power in the hands of communities will be paramount to that. Part of that work is recognising that communities have a role in defining and understanding themselves and part of it is finding the models and the range of powers and levers that are best suited to their particular needs.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Tom Arthur

Yes, I do—they have played and continue to play an important role. It is important to recognise that they operate within a broader context of rights and that they are just two particular mechanisms at our disposal. However, since the respective powers came into force, we have seen some 79 participation requests and more than 200 asset transfer requests, with many more applications having subsequently been made. They are playing an important part in the ecosystem of community empowerment, and they are important tools in enhancing a more participatory approach to our democratic culture and as a key lever and enabler of not only regeneration but community wealth building, specifically with regard to asset transfer requests.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Tom Arthur

The aspiration is that it will be in the first half of next year. As I indicated earlier, I would be more than happy to appear before the committee to discuss the outcome of that and the next steps once it is published.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Tom Arthur

With regard to part 10, I would want to situate that issue in the context of the review and not presuppose any outcomes. I appreciate that the wider issue of the “Democracy matters” initiative has been referred to several times, but I would also recognise that, although we in Government might operate through distinct reviews, people will bring forward ideas as and when they see fit.

As for the requirement that is set out in part 10, it has not been introduced, and we certainly have no plans to take it forward at this stage. Any move to introduce that or some similar mechanism would require very detailed consideration, very close engagement and a clear rationale. However, I would say that, in recent years, we have seen a significant improvement in communities’ abilities to engage with and participate in decision making and to take on assets not just through statutory means but through non-statutory means. Councillor Heddle has touched on participatory budgeting—let me again, as I did in the summer, commend and congratulate COSLA on achieving that 1 per cent target. Participatory budgeting is an example of communities being given an opportunity to have much more of a say in the allocation of resources in their area.

Something that has been very encouraging about participatory budgeting is not just the benefits that it confers but the move away from discrete pots of money being specifically allocated to authorities challenging themselves to find ways of giving communities more say over existing budgets for, say, roads and maintenance or the environment. We have seen some really excellent examples of that; indeed, I have to commend the work of one of the local authorities in my constituency—Renfrewshire Council—and what it has achieved in that respect.

With regard to the overall culture surrounding community empowerment, I would say that, notwithstanding what has been achieved through statutory mechanisms, we are seeing non-statutory mechanisms being used, too. Through the work of the local governance review and the work in partnership through the provisions in and the spirit of the Verity house agreement, we will achieve much more by changing culture and practice instead of necessarily having more statutory mechanisms.

However, I do not want to pre-empt the review’s outcome, and I reiterate that any decisions will be arrived at in a spirit of partnership that is consistent with the Verity house agreement.