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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Tom Arthur

It is important to note that, with the coming into force of the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 and subsequent regulations, along with a suite of tools, we promote sustainable procurement across Scotland, which takes into account a wide range of considerations and factors. Alasdair Hamilton may want to expand on that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Tom Arthur

That would be the UK Government that was in power at the time. There was an approach—it was clearly understood at the time—when those were the circumstances in South Africa.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Tom Arthur

There was an approach that the UK Government took over the duration. The point that is highlighted relates specifically to clause 4 and the implications that that would have had. It would have prevented public bodies or Scottish ministers from publishing a statement saying that they would have acted in a particular way. The way in which the legislation is set out and will operate would have created restrictions on the competence of Scottish ministers, had a Scottish Parliament been in existence at that time. Had the UK Government had such legislation in place, it would have restricted the competence of Scottish ministers.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Tom Arthur

Thank you, convener, and good morning to the committee.

The bill triggers the consent process because it alters the executive competence of Scottish ministers by preventing them from taking moral or political disapproval of the conduct of any foreign state into account in procurement decisions. That is not necessary. There are already significant protections in domestic procurement law. It is undemocratic. It would allow UK ministers to fine Scottish ministers even for saying that they would have taken disapproval into account were it not unlawful to do so. It risks our ability to take a values-based approach to international engagement. Whether that is in relation to Ukraine today or to apartheid South Africa in the past, it should be clear why that is important. The Scottish Government does not recommend that consent be given.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Tom Arthur

I will consult the document. That would be a previous UK Government.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Tom Arthur

No.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Tom Arthur

Thank you, convener, and good morning to the committee. The bill is an important measure and, if passed, will give local authorities a significant new power. A visitor levy can be a force for good, supporting the vitally important visitor economy and bringing benefits to visitors, residents and businesses.

The new deal for business and the new deal for local government are at the heart of the Government’s approach to the measure. We have already taken on board the helpful input that we have had from business, local government and others, and I am committed to continuing that meaningful and constructive engagement as we move forward. This will be the first visitor levy in the United Kingdom, and the Government wants to get it right.

As the lead minister on the bill, I—together with my ministerial colleagues—considered several key policy questions as the proposals in the bill were developed. I will focus on two of those in my remarks.

The first key question was whether it is right to give local authorities this power. The Government believes that it is. Of the 27 countries in the European Union, 21 have some kind of visitor levy, and such levies are commonplace in other locations around the world.

A visitor levy offers councils a significant opportunity: they can use the proceeds to invest in their local economy, bringing benefits to residents and visitors alike. International good practice, highlighted by the European Tourism Association, tells us that local consultation is crucial to a successful visitor levy, and the bill would require a local authority to consult local businesses, communities and tourism organisations. Good local engagement will be really important in ensuring that a visitor levy is well designed and that the funds that it raises are used to best effect.

The second key question that I and ministerial colleagues considered in relation to the bill was the balance between local flexibility and national consistency. That is a common thread going through the on-going debate about whether a national cap is appropriate, the approach that we should take to exemptions and the rules around how funding that is raised by a visitor levy is to be used.

The bill takes a middle way between having too rigid or too lax a national framework. It gives local authorities, which are accountable to their electorates, the ability to create a visitor levy that works for their area, while providing national consistency in areas such as how the levy is charged and remitted. We continue to listen to the variety of views from stakeholders on the balance to be struck between local flexibility and national consistency. We will listen carefully to the committee’s views on that, too.

Another issue that I would like to touch on is the potential for a cruise ship levy. The Government recently announced that we will seek to give local authorities the power to create a cruise ship levy. Policy work on that levy is under way, in partnership with local government. That will lead to a formal public consultation, which will allow all relevant groups to provide their input on the proposal. We may seek to amend the bill to include a cruise ship levy, but that will very much depend on whether the policy development work and the consultation have been completed, and on the view that Parliament takes on the scope of the bill. We do not want to delay the bill and the power that it will give to local authorities if work on a cruise ship levy has not been completed in time for such a provision to be added to the bill.

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The bill is about looking forward. It seeks to establish a measure that can deliver sustained investment in the future. It fits with our ambition of fiscally empowering local government and strengthening local democracy, and with the vision that the Government shares with the tourism industry that is set out in the national tourism strategy, “Scotland Outlook 2030: Responsible tourism for a sustainable future”.

I very much welcome the committee’s scrutiny of the bill, and I look forward to members’ questions and the discussion ahead.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Tom Arthur

Clearly, the question of a national cap is predicated on the measure in the bill to have a percentage rate. That could change, depending on the view that Parliament takes as we move to consideration of amendments.

I recognise why there are calls for a national cap, but I am very much committed to the levy being about empowering local government and doing it in a way that is consistent with the new deal with local government.

Although there are delegated powers in the legislation that would allow ministers to amend and specify details of what is required in legislation, those are useful provisions that would help us to respond to circumstances and future changes, whereas a national cap could be perceived and might well be regarded as an intrusion into the autonomy and decision-making space of local government.

Part of the process of consulting and engaging involves local government assessing the impact that a visitor levy would have. In determining whether the levy should proceed under the bill as introduced, using a percentage rate, local government would want to consider what the economic impact would be, recognising that there is a balance between a percentage level that would raise sufficient revenue to fund the reinvestment in the visitor economy, as set out in the scheme, and a level that was so excessive that it could start to have a negative economic impact.

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I would want to trust—as I think we all would—democratically accountable elected members in local government to take that decision, although I recognise the concerns of the industry. I am keen to have further dialogue and engagement on that. It is very important to me that we proceed in a way that is as collaborative as possible—involving business and local government, as well as the views of Parliament.

My instinctive view, as has been reflected in introducing the bill, is that the decision on the level would be for local government to take, but I recognise the concerns that have been raised and I want to explore the point further with local government and business. Of course, I would also take the opportunity to reflect on the committee’s views on the matter.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Tom Arthur

Other areas with regard to motorhomes and wild camping are covered elsewhere in our overall tourism and visitor economy work, and in management of some of the challenges that have arisen. One challenge with motorhomes, for example, relates to administration, compliance and enforcement issues. How do we determine what is the chargeable event in such cases? The legislation contains quite a clear definition of the chargeable event with regard to overnight accommodation: if, for example, a motorhome went to a campsite that was subject to the visitor levy, that would be captured. Where that does not happen, the question is how we would administer the levy. We are not familiar with many—or, indeed, any—examples of a particular levy or charge on motorhomes. One example might be New Zealand, if I am correct, but in that case, there is a very defined geographical area with a single point of entry.

I am open to further discussions on the matter, but the issue raises challenges around administration, and we would have to find some way of being consistent with how the bill is drafted. As I have said, we have talked a lot about wanting to ensure that any system that we put in place is straightforward for business; we want to ensure the same thing for the tax authority, which would, in this case, be local government.

Ben, is there anything that you want to add about motorhomes and camper vans?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Tom Arthur

I have been grateful for the engagement of the sector. I particularly want to mention our parliamentary colleague Stuart McMillan, who convenes the cross-party group on recreational boating and marine tourism. I had a meeting with that group earlier in the autumn, and it raised a number of issues. I am again grateful to Mr McMillan, who is convening a round-table meeting with the sector on Friday, which I will attend for further discussion.

Clearly, concern was expressed that the legislation might unintentionally capture certain activity in a way that was not consistent with the policy intention. We are having close discussions to ensure that such issues are fully understood. If required, we will lodge amendments to clarify the position at stage 2.

I am familiar with the concerns that have been raised by the sector, and I recognise them. I am grateful for the sector’s considered engagement. We will take that matter forward on Friday this week to ensure fully that there is no unintentional capturing of particular activities in a way that would be inconsistent with the policy intent of the legislation.