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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Tom Arthur

My understanding is that they would not be exempt, but I am happy to clarify that and write back to the committee. Our conversation has explored a wider range of issues around exemptions for public bodies. The question is whether, if local authorities are exempt, other public bodies should also be exempt.

We could start to go through every public body one by one, but I suggest that it would be helpful to the committee for us to take that away, to have further discussions, to engage with housing colleagues and the Minister for Housing, and to write back to the committee in order to provide a broader overview of the current landscape, provide clarity on the point that you raise and set out the work that we will be doing to develop policy in that area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Tom Arthur

The previous conversation around the merits of a finance bill speaks to the fact that there will always be a need for care and maintenance. We have to take decisions based on the information that we have at the present time. Therefore, from that perspective, the answer is yes, but we recognise that, inevitably, other issues and concerns can emerge in the future and that we would respond to those, just as we have responded previously.

This particular tax has been the subject of quite a significant volume of legislation, both primary and secondary, and amendments since it was introduced. We will respond and will seek to do so in a way that is as open and transparent as possible through engagement. With regard to specific timelines around the issues that have been raised by the SPA, we will engage with the authority on that. As I said, I am more than happy to update the committee in due course on where those conversations lead.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Tom Arthur

My understanding is that HMRC鈥檚 discretion is really just to extend the timeline. I appreciate that it is 36 months in England, but one of the things that we are doing through the order is extending the period to 36 months.

The issue of whether Revenue Scotland should have such a discretionary power is one that we can explore, but it would represent a significant change from the way in which we operate at the moment, whereby Parliament legislates and Revenue Scotland provides the guidance. It would be a significant change for Revenue Scotland, recognising that HMRC operates under a different set-up. However, the broader point is one that we can consider. A lot more detailed consideration and exploration would be required.

I come back to the point about how we have sought to address the issues that have been raised, which have led to the order coming before the committee. Having identified, through consultation and engagement, a number of specific anomalies, we are seeking to address those directly by taking a targeted approach through the amendments for which the order provides.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Tom Arthur

I will make two points.

We have sought to address the circumstances that have given rise to the ask for an exceptional circumstances provision through some of the specific amendments that we make in the order. That should reduce the ask for an exceptional circumstances provision and is an important response to some of those specific circumstances.

We gave consideration to an exceptional circumstances discretionary power, but there is concern around administrative complexity and uncertainty, particularly for Revenue Scotland and taxpayers.

Through the order, we have sought to address some of the specific concerns that have been raised about the way in which ADS has operated previously. That is why we have not pursued an exceptional circumstances provision, but rather have sought a targeted approach to addressing some of the particular issues that have arisen previously.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Trade (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership) Bill

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Tom Arthur

The position on the engagement that the Scottish Government has had with the UK Government is broadly set out in the correspondence that I referred to. Clearly, the matters that are before us today鈥攖he issues that triggered the legislative consent process鈥攁re fairly narrow and technical and relate to the devolved aspects of procurement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Trade (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership) Bill

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Tom Arthur

I recognise that there will be a range of views on the provisions of any trade agreement that the UK enters into. I recognise that the Parliament will have and take its opportunities to express its views on these matters. Ultimately, the decision on whether to enter into such agreements is a matter for the UK Government. We obviously appreciate and want to strengthen the opportunities that we are afforded for engagement with the UK Government, but the matter before us this morning is about the relatively narrow and technical aspects of implementation through the act and how they trigger legislative consent with regard to procurement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Trade (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership) Bill

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Tom Arthur

These are, of course, minor changes that we are required to make, given the requirement to implement this particular agreement. On the detail and any specifics, I ask Alasdair Hamilton whether he wants to comment.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Trade (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership) Bill

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Tom Arthur

We will of course continue to seek to engage constructively with the UK Government on the implementation of the agreement, and we continue to engage with stakeholders. I am sure that the convener will appreciate that it is my colleague the cabinet secretary who leads on those particular matters.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Trade (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership) Bill

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Tom Arthur

We welcome the opportunities that the agreement will afford. The analysis that has been provided suggests that, overall, the impact on UK economic growth over the next couple of decades will be relatively minor, but any opportunities that are afforded for key Scottish industries, such as the Scotch whisky industry, are, of course, welcomed.

I am conscious that my colleagues the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands and the Minister for Small Business, Innovation, Tourism and Trade have written to committees setting out in some detail the work that they have undertaken in engagement with the UK Government on the broader policy intent of the agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Trade (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership) Bill

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Tom Arthur

Thank you, convener, and good morning, committee.

The United Kingdom bill makes provisions in three areas鈥攑ublic procurement, technical barriers to trade and intellectual property鈥攚here legislative intervention is needed to give effect to the terms of the UK鈥檚 accession to the comprehensive and progressive agreement for trans-Pacific partnership. Public procurement is a devolved matter, and the implementation of international agreements is devolved to the extent that it relates to procurement. The bill therefore triggers the consent process in respect of the procurement provisions that apply to Scotland. The amendments to Scottish procurement regulations are minor and technical in nature, relating to contracts that are awarded under international rules and contract award notices.

In contrast to the Trade (Australia and New Zealand) Act 2023, which conferred delegated powers on UK ministers for the purpose of implementing the procurement chapters of those trade agreements, and to which the Scottish Parliament withheld its consent, in this bill the UK Government has agreed to make necessary provision to amend the Scottish regulations in the bill. We welcome that change of approach, which affords the Scottish Parliament the proper ability to scrutinise the proposals.

We recommend that consent be given to the bill. My officials will continue to work with UK Government officials to agree a pragmatic approach to preparations for commencement of the provisions of the bill that relate to Scotland.