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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Domestic boilers might be ruled out. In that case, people would be making decisions about whether they should go to another form of renewables. However, there might be potential for domestic boilers to run on hydrogen. The difficulty is that we do not have the detail yet, although lots of people are talking about the potential for its use in agriculture and other industries. I am interested because there is a lack of clarity despite all the positivity about it.

You have talked about 300,000 jobs. It would be good to know where those might be.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That would be helpful.

We have talked about the opportunities of the just transition. In previous such schemes or processes, there have been many opportunities for big business and perhaps fewer for small and medium-sized enterprises to take advantage of what is happening. How will you ensure that SMEs take advantage of the opportunities of the just transition?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The need for the just transition and to hit climate change targets are not reasons for the Government not to go ahead and deliver those projects.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I have met representatives from a number of sectors recently, and they are all talking about skills and about delivering. I know that you said that it was mentioned in a previous report, but we are talking about 300,000 jobs. There are skills shortages in various sectors, including construction, aerospace, defence and some financial services. How will we ensure that we have enough people to train up in those sectors? How will we deliver those jobs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning, minister. Before I come to my main questions, I will ask about hydrogen. I think that you have talked about 5GW of potential production and 300,000 potential jobs. Where will hydrogen be used? Will you give us some detail on where it can be used in business and domestic settings?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Are you meeting the Federation of Small Businesses and chambers of commerce? Are they raising with you any concerns about the approach that is being taken? What is their opinion?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will go back to what we talked about before. My colleague Graham Simpson talked about the transport side and Fiona Hyslop asked you about your role in Government. You talked about mainstreaming just transition in Government and bilateral meetings with colleagues. As the just transition minister, do you see any conflict or contradiction between meeting Scotland鈥檚 climate change targets around decarbonising and delivering on manifesto commitments such as road improvements, road upgrades and work on the A9 and A96 roads, which you will be very aware of as the MSP for Moray? Do you see a contradiction between wanting to decarbonise and meeting those commitments?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I am very interested in the potential of hydrogen.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Therefore, meeting climate change targets is not, as far as you are aware or concerned, a reason to not go ahead with those projects.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Your point about the Acorn project has been made previously by your colleagues. It sounds as though there will be a shortage not of jobs but of people.

Do you, as a former Minister for Further Education, Higher Education and Science, think that the education system as a whole, from schooling through to further and higher education, is geared up enough to ensure that young people go on pathways to new emerging technologies and other sectors? Are you confident that we will be able to deliver at least part of what we need through the right education system that is ready to provide that supply of people?