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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

They do not always agree with you on the results of the negotiations.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I want to stay on that point. You have talked about the fact that there was previously resistance from some stakeholders. Are councils still raising issues around funding? I do not necessarily mean COSLA, although I recognise that COSLA represents councils across Scotland. Are individual councils still raising concerns about costs and potential costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Although whoever happens to be in the room will be representing all areas, their experience might be of a large urban council rather than a small island council. There is a need to ensure that those areas where it is perhaps more difficult to deliver, because of the particular challenges that are faced there, are represented when it comes to strategy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So councils could be asked to bring on more staff. Are those costs included in the estimates?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Would you expect councils to take on additional staff?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Right. But that cost will not be met from the bill.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Michael Marra has covered quite a lot of what I was looking to cover, but I will ask you to look at it from a rural perspective. Do you envisage there being any additional costs to councils because of the bill?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Surely that could all be done without a board and these reforms. Councils could and should speak to one other on best practice and efficiency. What additional benefits would a board bring in those scenarios?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Will there be a chief executive sitting under that, on the professional side?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay. Given that one of the bill鈥檚 aspirations seems to be about providing better access and combating the postcode lottery, you will appreciate that delivering care services in rural island communities is very difficult, extremely expensive and so on. I know that there is a shortage in parts of my region because a lot of people are writing to me. They are not writing about transparency; they are writing to me, as Michael Marra said, about access, more visits and longer time. How is the bill likely to improve access? How will it mean that those communities will get the care support that they have been allocated but that is not being delivered because of a shortage of carers and so on?