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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Councils may have an opinion on their need that is different from yours, as we see in the budget discussions at the moment and the talk around the council tax freeze. For example, a council could say that it needs a certain amount of additional support because of increased cost, increased uptake and direction from the national care board. It would then be for the Scottish Government to agree additional funding with that council. Potentially, therefore, councils could be left short because there has not been agreement on the levels of funding that is required.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Are you comfortable that most councils, or all councils, are on board with your plans, or that they are content enough to let COSLA negotiate on their behalf?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

What kind of concerns do they raise? Are they concerned about the fiscal aspect, in particular?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I turn to the national care board, on the detail of which Liz Smith raised issues. Given that you are a rural MSP, as I am, you will know that delivering services in a rural or island area is very different from delivering them in another part of Scotland. How will you ensure that those rural and island voices are included? You have said that you do not know exactly what the make-up will be. You have mentioned that lots of different organisations, including COSLA, will be involved, but delivering services in a place such as Shetland is very different from delivering them elsewhere. How will you ensure that those rural and island voices are included?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The national care board is now a vital component of the bill鈥攊t will be extremely important from the point of view of strategy and oversight鈥攕o it is surely very important that a rural or island perspective is taken on board as part of the oversight process.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

On the convener鈥檚 point, you have said that you will come back to us with figures. Do you expect councils to have to take on more staff? Are those costs for additional staff included in the estimates?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

There are a lot of people who simply do not apply for the care that they should be entitled to, so the focus on the bill and awareness around care and people鈥檚 rights might have an impact. Do you think that the current funding support that is available for that will meet any increases there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I want to look at some of the costs and then I will ask my main question. Who pays for the carer breaks, how will that be done and can you give me an estimate of the cost?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Obviously, a lot of people who are entitled to care do not receive their full allowance of care. Do you expect there to be greater uptake of care because of the bill?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

On Tuesday, I asked Donna Bell whether from a rural perspective the Government envisaged there being any additional cost to councils because of the bill. Her response was:

鈥淣o. We have not included any additional costs to councils.鈥濃擺Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 24 January 2024; c 30.]

Do you think that that was a fair comment? Do you envisage any additional costs to councils because of the bill?