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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I appreciate that, but at the moment, money can come out of the budget or it can be withheld and used elsewhere. Taking my politician’s hat off and putting my farmer’s hat on, I would say that promises from politicians are not always worth a huge amount. We always look at the additional cost of legislation, and depending on how decisions are taken as part of the filling out of the framework, there could be areas in which any underspend could still be utilised outwith the agriculture budget.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Lastly, and again on EU alignment, I understand that the new CAP scheme requires reserves to be kept for crises. Would that be built into the legislation, or is it envisaged that it will be put into the legislation once the framework is fleshed out? If so, how would that reserve be built up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Is it not being considered at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

We could be more advanced. The process of co-design and introducing the framework bill and so on could have started earlier.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

As I said, I wanted to get some clarity. John Mason talked about the IT support and the £60 million total cost for that, according to table 5 in the financial memorandum. Is that the cost for streamlining or improving the current system or is it for delivering the new system?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So the figure in table 5 is very much a best guesstimate.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

For the sake of clarity, then, you are not ruling that out, but you think that it is unlikely.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

In March 2023, Informed Solutions was given a £24 million contract for a new IT system. Is that for an IT system, or is it part of the £60 million to review what is there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I remind the committee of my entry in the register of members’ interests as a partner in a farming business and a member of the Royal Highland and Agricultural Society of Scotland, Scottish Land & Estates and NFU Scotland.

With regard to the convener’s point, framework bills are—as he has said—frustrating for us all. There is a lot of talk about co-design and about things changing, but such an approach makes it extremely difficult to know exactly how we should scrutinise the bill.

Perhaps the panel can clarify something for me. The current plans are for a four-tier system. Some of those tiers will, I imagine, be more costly to administer; for example, tier 2 might require more monitoring and evaluation than tier 1. When do you think that you will get an idea of the structure, and of the emphasis that will be put on each tier?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

How would that reserve be funded, and how much do you envisage it being?