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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

As you will be aware, the Scottish Creel Fishermen’s Federation has expressed its disappointment at the lack of exemptions. In future years, if you will not look to provide any financial support, are you more likely to consider exemptions, if you can, particularly if the scientific data improves?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Rachael’s and Rhoda’s points covered most of what I intended to say. There is a lack of data—-and a lack of data that we can have a huge amount of confidence in. There is a lack of exemptions and, generally, a lack of trust in those organisations and individuals who will be most impacted by the order. There is too much reliance on some of the anecdotal evidence, which has been highlighted. Putting people’s lives on hold, even for a short period, without supporting information—or information that we can have confidence in—is not the right approach. I will vote for the annulment, and I hope that others will, too.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That would certainly be interesting. In a previous role, I used to have meetings with fishermen. There was always great frustration with the scientific evidence, mainly because they did not agree with it. They were seeing decent stock numbers at a time when ICES was saying that those areas were under threat. However, we cannot show that with the data, as it relates to the most likely places for cod to spawn. That is what we know. Unless new monitoring ways come in, the data will not necessarily change.

On the financial impact of the closures, the then responsible minister’s response said that the Scottish Government was

“not considering any additional financial support schemes ... related to this closure”—

not even for vessels that cannot fish in other areas. Obviously, that has financial implications. What are the reasons behind that decision?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

However, do you recognise that there are implications and that alternatives may not be available as they are in other areas where there are closures?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I have never been on a committee with so many Highlands and Islands members. I therefore wonder whether you could comment on how the regions will be represented. Will the approach ensure that the Highlands and our more remote rural areas are represented?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You are saying that none of that evidence is based directly on fish numbers or anything like that. It is evidence that you would not expect to change, so the data that you used for the 2022 order and for the new one is not likely to change any time soon, because it is not based on fish numbers.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The Clyde Fishermen’s Association secretary, Elaine Whyte, said that the ban will have a devastating impact on fishermen. She said:

“Financially, the closure has had a massive impact. We have had mobile boats that have lost areas but, more significantly, we have had creel boats that have completely lost their areas and which have no other option to go anywhere.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee, 2 March 2022; c 3.]

Those people do not have other options. Essentially, you are asking them to stop their business for that period. Could more consideration be given to the impact on them?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Lastly, everyone has agreed, and your officials have said, that this is about working with the sector. Do you feel that the sector has confidence in its discussions with you that it is not just being talked to but is being worked with for the future?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will speak to Stephen Kerr’s amendments 150, 152 and 153, which are critical safeguards in the face of an increasingly overburdened regulator. As I highlighted earlier, NatureScot already processes some 5,000 licensing applications annually, meaning that there is a tangible risk that muirburn licences will face undue delays in processing, potentially to the detriment of landscape resilience to wildfire risk or of habitat favourability for game and wildlife. We feel that it is vital that a provision be built into the licensing scheme that will safeguard against delays caused by an increasingly overburdened regulator.

Amendment 154, in the name of Ariane Burgess, stands to have a hugely detrimental impact on the ability of land managers to make muirburn. Successive scientific studies are clear about the role of muirburn in providing favourable habitat for the assemblage of moorland game and wildlife. In addition, it has been well documented that muirburn has an important role in conserving, restoring, enhancing and managing the natural environment, as well as in managing habitat for livestock. Such an amendment would have catastrophic implications for a range of muirburn users.