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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I might be being unfair, but I think that people who are watching these proceedings will find what has happened hard to understand. There has been a threefold increase in the costs, to ÂŁ5 million. Officials were talking to Police Scotland and were aware that the figures were going to increase yet, in March, prior to giving evidence, they were still surprised by the level of the increase. Surely an approach should have been taken that at least gave you an idea of by how much the figures were going to increase. Surely you should have been engaging with Police Scotland on that. It sounds as though those figures were not interrogated and that not enough questions were asked.

Do you think that where we are now with the figures is acceptable? Have any lessons been learned by officials, or are there any lessons that you will ask Police Scotland to learn in relation to the disparity between the figures that it initially suggested and those that it submitted?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So, you are suggesting that the situation that has arisen is purely a matter of Police Scotland needing to revise how it considers such matters, rather than its being a result of its not having been provided with enough information to make the calculations accurately in the first place.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Should part of the interrogation process not have involved you saying to Police Scotland, “We appreciate that the costs are going to go up. By how much do you think they will go up? What parameters are you working within?” I appreciate that you can look at figures line by line when they come out and ask why that has happened, but given the extent of the increase, surely you should have done some work with Police Scotland to identify by how much the figures were likely to increase.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

As far as you are aware, have reports and analysis been done on the outcomes or the success of commissioners in fulfilling their duties? Has a widespread piece of work been done on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Some of the points that I was looking to make have been covered by Michael Marra, but I will focus a little on outcomes. Your report informs discussion and consultation on the potential setting up of a new commission or commissioner. The introduction to your report says:

“The research was to provide a nuanced understanding of how commissions or commissioners effectively complete their functions, working jointly with others.”

Is evaluating outcomes not part of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You are saying that evaluating the outcomes of commissioners was not part of what you were asked to do in the remit for the report that the Scottish Government asked you to produce. I want to be clear on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You will appreciate the difficulty. We are looking at the landscape and a number of areas of the work of commissioners—how they overlap, their governance, accountability and the financial costs—but we cannot seem to pin that down to what they achieve for the people they are meant to be achieving things for.

There are specific areas as well—for example, as I represent the Highlands and Islands, I want to see whether there are any issues around rurality and its impacts, and which groups are missed out. Do you accept that our ability to consider issues is limited if we lack detailed information on outcomes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Do you find it slightly surprising that you were asked to conduct a report on a potential new commission or commissioner but you were not asked to evaluate the outcomes of other commissioners? You were asked to look at all the governance, overlap and other aspects of commissioners and commissions but not at whether they work.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay—thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Did you have no idea at any point that the ÂŁ5 million potential cost would be presented? Did that come as a complete surprise to you?