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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

We heard from a number of people who gave evidence in previous sessions on the commissioner landscape that one of the plus points would be if commissioners did their job in making things better, but no commissioner seems to be anywhere close to being able to, on the advocacy side, say, “That’s me done. I’ve achieved everything, so we can move on.” Outcomes are key, and our concern is that, after proposals are made and commissioners are put in place, they are not able to measure outcomes and what they have achieved. That is a real concern.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning, Jeremy. On the points that you have just made, I was contacted by constituents about local roads in their area that were not suitable and were preventing them from leaving their homes, because of their limited mobility. I contacted the council and, remarkably, the council went out and sorted the situation. As you have been in many cases, I was the advocate, and I got that situation sorted out. Do you hope that a commissioner would deal with larger, wider and more general issues, and that we would still be the advocates on the smaller level? Large charities already come together on issues such as shared surfaces, so why would the suggested approach be a more effective way of dealing with those larger issues?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I do not want to put words into anyone’s mouth, but when we were talking about staff salaries earlier, Liz Anderson suggested, almost, that this was standard and that this would be the number of staff that people thought would be needed. What roles would those staff play?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

In earlier discussions or exchanges, you talked about the number of new commissioners that have been suggested or which might be taken forward. However, there are concerns about how they will deliver. How will you measure outcomes in that respect? Will there be a process by which, say, the disability commissioner will say in a report at the end of each year, “This is what we have achieved, and this is how we have made things better”? Moreover, how do you think things will have changed by the end of the commissioner’s eight-year term?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Should measurable outcomes be included in the bill? Should those be very clear before the bill is passed? As I have said, that has been a concern with other pieces of legislation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Would you expect them to come from the charity sector?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I have a final quick question—there was not really any order to my questions as I scribbled things down. You talked about the relationship between charities and others. Do you have a concern that, unless the disability commissioner takes forward an issue, that issue might be ignored by the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I meant on-going evaluation, after the commissioners have been set up.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You have no concerns about that process, no opinion on whether that is happening and you do no checks on whether that is taking place. We have heard from a number of different sources that the scrutiny process differs from commissioner to commissioner.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Should there be more commissioners? There are some in the pipeline. I am not necessarily talking about John Mason’s nightmare scenario, in which there are 50 commissioners, because you recognise how that was received by the committee. However, if the Scottish Government is looking to have new commissioners in certain areas in the future, particularly on the regulatory side, do you think that the ability for those roles to be scrutinised and for their outcomes to be evaluated is a key part of that? Could you be confident that that is happening, or is it the case that once the Government has created a commissioner, it is no longer its responsibility but that of the Parliament?