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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Brian Whittle

I will follow on from Murdo Fraser’s question about what could be in the bill. Dr MacPherson’s response leads me back to the issue of those who lack legal capacity, how they are currently treated in law and whether they should be liable for interest and charges on loan payments in such circumstances. Is that something that the bill could deal with?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Brian Whittle

Before I get into lender responsibility, I will hand over to you, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Brian Whittle

Many people who find themselves in that situation hunker down and do not look for advice. Is there room in the bill to address that, Katie McLachlan?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Brian Whittle

David Menzies, I will throw something else into the mix as we try to complicate this as much as we can.

One of the things that concern me about some of the responses that we have had is that we seem to be almost driven to put something in legislation by the fact that the advice sector is stretched. Where is the balance to be struck? I think that we all agree that the best scenario is earlier intervention that prevents people from getting to that position. However, we are discussing the matter as part of a bill, so that is obviously not the case. What is your opinion on how we deal with that in the bill? Should we deal with it in the bill?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Brian Whittle

Thank you, convener. As recorded in the register of members’ interests, I am a director of a small business consultancy, which, from time to time, I do a little bit of work for outside parliamentary time.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Brian Whittle

Good morning. A couple of things have popped out from Maggie Chapman and Colin Smyth’s discussions with the witnesses. The process that leads to debt recovery tends to be rather protracted and results in what you might call an increasing level of urgency in the interaction between creditor and debtor, which, in and of itself, is stressful—perhaps for both parties but certainly for the person in debt.

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There is the idea of a gatekeeper and of how we assess those who are in debt. Should the bill include provisions on how debtors might receive financial advice and at what stage they might receive that? Should we be better at ensuring that debtors understand what advice is available to them? I put that to Barry Mochan.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Brian Whittle

I will go back to something that you said, Mr Ferris, about encouraging people from overseas to come and work here. You said that we had brought in 50 Polish dentists. I have a moral issue with that in that we are sucking talent from everywhere else and, while we are doing that, we are allowing our own talent to leave or to work privately and not in NHS dentistry. Do you see what I am getting at? Should we not focus more on how we retain our own talent within NHS dentistry?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Brian Whittle

Minister, it does not matter how many dentists are in training. If they do not want to go into NHS dentistry, it will make no difference whatsoever. Over and above that, we have heard that a lot of dentists’ staff are moving to private practice, purely for financial reasons because private practice can pay more.

We have to understand what the problem is before we can fix it. My concern is that we are hearing one side of the argument, and then what we hear from you differs so much from that that I am not sure what the reality is, although I am not sure what my colleagues think.

We have heard that the NHS is under huge pressure across the board, and dentistry seems to be at the worst end of that. It is to the point where someone said that it is in danger of falling over. We have to accept what the reality is. You talk about the idea that we need more dentists, but what we need is more NHS dentists. How do we get more NHS dentists to practice?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Brian Whittle

I have a final question. We have heard not only that there can be a long delay in getting payment for treatments that have been done but that some treatments on the NHS actually cost the dentist money to deliver. Are you looking at that issue?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Brian Whittle

Good morning, minister. I have been listening with interest to what has been said and reflecting on the view of dentistry that has been portrayed, which is markedly different from the evidence that we have heard before. As a committee, we have to assess the evidence that is before us. As my colleague Jackie Baillie said, dentists have repeatedly talked about wanting to look at prevention, which you will know is a passion of mine. They have also said that there is no immediate strategy or capacity to clear the backlog or take immediate action on poor oral health. In fact, last week, we heard from dentists that, under the current system, the backlog will never be cleared. The concern for me is the huge gulf between the evidence that we are hearing today and the evidence that we have heard over the past couple of weeks.

I will mention a couple of things. One is that, because of the big gaps between dental appointments, the treatment that dentists are having to provide is much more complex, which is an indication of a problem. The other is that dentists get paid when treatment is finished, which is a problem when it takes longer to complete treatment. For example, if there is an initial appointment, a filling that is done after three months and another filling that is done after another three months, the dentist is not paid for six months. Dentists say that the system cannot continue.

If we are going to fix this, which I think that we all want to do, we have to understand the reality. The evidence that the committee has heard has painted an NHS dentistry system that, as John Mason said, students have said that they do not want to work in. We know that current NHS dentists are drifting towards the private sector. Help us here, minister. How do we close the gulf between what you are saying and the evidence that we have heard?