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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Brian Whittle

You highlight the issue of those who have a terminal diagnosis. That will inevitably have some impact on their mental health, and, as you say, the suicide rate among that cohort is about two and half times the norm. I will push again on the issue of access—or lack of access—to other services. Are you concerned that the lack of access to other services would inevitably lead people down a certain path?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Brian Whittle

Good morning, Mr McArthur. I have a quick supplementary around the vulnerable disability group. We had a round-table session in the Parliament with a variety of really excellent contributors, one of whom was the father and guardian of an adult son who had a learning disability. He pressed us really hard around the human right of his son should he request assisted dying—however, he has guardianship of his son. Where does the bill fit with that scenario?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Brian Whittle

I will move to the topic of unassisted suicide. Some people have told us in evidence that the bill might have a positive impact in reducing the number of unassisted suicides, although others have said that it will have no impact.

I have a practical question. Have you discussed that with insurance companies and do you know their take on whether assisted dying would be deemed to be suicide and might therefore make insurance policies unworkable or those deaths ineligible for insurance payouts? Have you had that conversation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Brian Whittle

I want to explore a little bit further the issue of palliative care that Dr Gulhane raised earlier. I hope that I am not putting words in your mouth, Mr McArthur, but I think that you would agree that the ideal scenario is for people to have access to palliative care as well as assisted dying. However, we know that that is not the case; indeed, one in four Scots is not getting access to palliative care. As you have highlighted, the bill is shining a light on the provision of such care, and I think that that is very welcome.

The other thing that we have heard about is the inequality of access to palliative care between Scottish index of multiple deprivation level 1 and SIMD level 5 areas. My question, then, is this: do you want the bill itself to guarantee access to palliative care alongside access to assisted dying?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Brian Whittle

You are absolutely right that palliative care is not for everybody and that, if the bill passes, the fact that someone does not access palliative care should not prevent them from accessing assisted dying. I fully understand where you are coming from with that. The concern is that if someone seeks palliative care and it is not accessible, the pressure towards assisted dying grows. That is the concern. If somebody speaks to their GP and requests more information on or to start the process of assisted dying, at that point, should the GP discuss palliative care options and what happens if they are not available?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Brian Whittle

I think that there is a difference between the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill, which is going through the United Kingdom Parliament, and this bill, with the UK Parliament bill containing a wider range of offences than the Scottish bill. Should we be closer to what the UK Parliament is looking at, or would that cause us more issues?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Brian Whittle

You will recognise that, as many have said and as a number of witnesses have made clear in evidence to us, the concern is that those who might not have or get access to palliative care are pushed, unnecessarily, down the route of assisted dying. Do you share that concern?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Brian Whittle

No, I completely understand.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Brian Whittle

If coercion is not currently an offence, I presume that it would become an offence within the context of the bill. We would be asking members of the medical profession, who are not members of the legal profession, to make a judgment on something that might break the law. Is that a fair comment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Brian Whittle

One of the big wins from this bill—if “wins” is the word that I am looking for—is that it is shining a light on palliative care provision and the need for it to be equitable across the country. If you look back at some of the evidence that we have heard, you will see the concern with regard to palliative care and the potential for some people to consider assisted dying because of inadequate palliative care in their particular instance. I ask you to have a look at that, because it is a big concern for me. I would like to think—and I am sure that you will agree with me—that, if the bill were to be passed, everybody who wished to consider assisted dying could also access palliative care, that the matter would be raised by a GP or whatever at the time and that provision would be equitable.