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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Before I move on to Jo Pike, from the Scottish Wildlife Trust, and Dr Snowdon, I ask them also to consider the comments that Dieter Helm made about the need to get the approach to natural capital right and to assess and baseline it. For example, we need to ensure that we do not plant tens of thousands of hectares of Sitka spruce if, in the long term, that is not the best investment. Potentially, we need to do all the planning before we bring forward policies. Do we need to pause right now, even though we are in a climate emergency, and ensure that we make the best investment for the long term to get the best from our natural capital?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Sorry鈥攚e lost connection for a minute. I ask Jenni Minto to repeat what she said.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

For some time, the principle of public money for public goods has been suggested as the way forward south of the border. Some policies are now being introduced, but some people do not view them as a particularly good move. In Scotland, the direction of travel for rural support is still quite unclear, particularly in relation to the replacement for CAP. Is there anything in what is being introduced south of the border that should be adopted up here, and what should we avoid when it comes to future rural payments?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

I will come in on the back of that with a question for Eilidh. I know that you said that the matter is above your pay grade or whatever, but should the National Investment Bank be looking at ethical decision making? There might, for example, be an economic argument for cutting down rainforests in Brazil and creating cattle lots. In the same way, and in the long term, should the bank be looking at investments in forestry planting? There is, absolutely, private sector money to be invested in that, but, in Scotland right now, land is overpriced and farmers are being priced out of the market because of the astronomical amounts that those private investors are willing to pay to plant trees. Jim Fairlie touched on land grades. Land classified as 3.2, which would normally be for agricultural production, is now assumed to be suitable for planting trees. Is that not something that you should consider when deciding on the investments that you might make? I put that question first to Eilidh and then to Ian Dickie.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Finlay Carson

On the topic of enforcement, it has been suggested that SEPA has gone a bit soft and that it has lost its teeth. I am thinking, for example, of the flaring at Grangemouth. I know that there is an argument for taking a carrot-and-stick approach, but when we hear that leakages of sewage from Scotland鈥檚 water system have risen by 40 per cent, I have to wonder whether you have lost your stick and whether there is too much working with companies and not enough enforcement. Is that a valid claim that could be laid at your door, Terry?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I ask Grant Moir to answer those questions.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Agenda item 2 is consideration of two notifications from the Scottish ministers for consent to two UK statutory instruments. I refer members to papers 3 and 4 and to page 17 onwards in our pack of papers.

Under the protocol between the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government, the consent notifications have been categorised as type 1, which means that the Scottish Parliament鈥檚 agreement is sought before the Scottish Government gives consent to the UK Government making secondary legislation in areas of devolved competence.

Do members have any comments on the consent notification for the Sea Fisheries (Amendment etc) (No 2) Regulations 2021?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Finlay Carson

With regard to the Wine (Amendment) Regulations 2021, I wrote to the cabinet secretary, asking for an amended notification, as I felt that the level of information that we received was not sufficient to inform the committee鈥檚 considerations. A response was received yesterday and members have been sent a supplementary paper. I am now content that the information that the Scottish Government has provided is sufficient to inform parliamentary scrutiny.

As members have no comments to make, is the committee content for the provisions set out in the notification to be included in the proposed UK SI?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Finlay Carson

In the letter that I received from the cabinet secretary, she apologises for not providing the full 28 days for parliamentary scrutiny and says that the reason was confusion at official level about whether the SI met the criteria for a type 2 notification. I intend to write to the Scottish Government to ask for some form of guarantee that such confusion will not happen again and that the committee will not be left with so little time to scrutinise any future instruments properly.

Is the committee content to delegate authority to me to sign off a letter to the Scottish Government to inform it of our decisions today?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Finlay Carson

We move on to questions from Ariane Burgess on the national planning framework 4.