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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

I would appreciate your doing that, because the issue came up in conversation. Such bodies deliver a public service through public funding, but they do so at arm鈥檚 length. It would be interesting to find out how their situation might be dealt with.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Just to clarify that, the health boards have said that they agree with you that there will not be financial implications from producing a plan, have they? My fear is that the plans may be restricted, given a health board鈥檚 budget. The board might like to put something in its plan yet be unable to implement it, even though the plan suggests that it should be implemented. Are you saying that health boards have responded that they do not have any concerns about the costs or the resources that are required to put a plan together and implement it in the future?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

So, at the moment, the boards are not responding, and they cannot really respond because they do not know what the plan might entail. It is not that they do not think that there is any cost; they are unwilling to say what the costs might be because of the uncertainty of the implications in the plan.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

On that point, if a public authority were to be added to the list, that would be subject to the negative procedure. However, the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee suggested that that subordinate legislation should be subject to the affirmative procedure in order to allow for extra scrutiny. What are your views on that?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

I apologise for interrupting you, Rachael, but could you please keep your supplementary question brief? We are fast running out of time.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

We are focusing on who should do that. It is clear that we need to understand whether the Government thinks that there needs to be something to oversee that. The big question is: do you believe that something needs to oversee that? We can have an argument another day about who will do that, but do you think that there needs to be an external body overseeing the plans?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

What plans do you have to consult on the secondary legislation? Again, if the secondary legislation is to be developed in parallel with the bill, how broadly are you going to consult on it? That is hugely important because, although we are looking at a framework bill, the secondary legislation will be the guts of it, if you like. What are your plans to consult on it?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Could you just set out exactly what the process is? From today, when do you plan to consult on the secondary legislation and how broad will that consultation be?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2022 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. I ask all committee members who are using electronic devices to turn them to silent.

Our first item of business is an evidence session on the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands. We also have Scottish Government officials. Ashley Cooke, the head of food policy, Tracy McCollin, the head of the good food nation team, and James Hamilton, a solicitor for the legal directorate, are giving evidence in the room; George Burgess, the deputy director for food and drink, is giving evidence remotely. I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Finlay Carson

The plan that the Government pulls together will be critical in setting out an idea of where local authorities might pitch their plans. Should that plan come before Parliament for approval? Should the legislation require Parliament鈥檚 approval of that Government plan?