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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

You will be pleased to hear that that brings us to the end of our questions. Actually, it probably does not, but you鈥攑articularly Leia鈥攈ave put in a hard shift this morning. That is very much appreciated and the information that you have given us will certainly be helpful in our further deliberations.

I will suspend the meeting until 12 o鈥檆lock to allow for a change of witnesses.

11:49 Meeting suspended.  

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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

For licences to be granted, NatureScot needs to be satisfied that there is

鈥渘o other solution which would be effective in achieving the purpose鈥.

There might be alternatives that would be effective but are wholly impractical or undesirable. If an alternative practice is impractical, is it by definition ineffective, or is effectiveness to be understood without regard to practicality?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

We will hear very briefly from Rachael Hamilton.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Would you like to comment briefly on that, or shall we just take that as a statement?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Jim Fairlie has a short question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

I propose that the committee write to the Scottish Government to ask why it is now considered appropriate to make regulations amending the rules around checks on sanitary and phytosanitary鈥擲PS鈥攇oods during the transition period; what the impact of those changes may be on stakeholders and the wider public, including further information about the outcome of the consultations between Governments and stakeholders; and about the outcome of discussions with stakeholders who have invested in preparations for the end of the transitional staging period.

Are members happy with those suggestions?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2022 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. I remind members who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent.

Our first item of business is an evidence session on the Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill, with the Scottish Government bill team. I welcome Hugh Dignon, who is the head of the wildlife and flood management unit; Leia Fitzgerald, who is the team leader of the wildlife legislation team; and solicitors Hazel Reilly and Amy Hogarth. We have about 75 minutes. I will kick off the questions.

We have had a huge response to the survey and to the questionnaire, but it would appear that views are mixed, with 50 per cent of those who responded saying that they are for the bill and 50 per cent saying that they are not. It looks as though there is almost a perfect split between those who wish to continue with the legislation as it is and those who wish to see changes. Does that mean that you have got this bill wrong?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

You mentioned the Lord Bonomy review. Why have you not followed its outcomes, given that it was an independent and fairly wide-ranging and robust review? Why have you strayed away from Lord Bonomy鈥檚 recommendations?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

So, the only reason you have brought in rabbits is to stop hare coursing. Across the country, on every day of the year, young farmers go out hunting rabbits, maybe with their dogs, not only as pest control鈥攊n many places, rabbits can be defined as a pest, whereas hares certainly cannot鈥攂ut as a source of income. Will that type of hunting feel the impact of this, just in order to close a loophole over hare coursing?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

We will move to questions on section 3 of the bill.