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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 December 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Genetic Technology (Precision Breeding) Bill

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That is helpful.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Shark Fins Bill

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Finlay Carson

Our second item of business is consideration of the legislative consent memorandum for the Shark Fins Bill. I welcome Mairi Gougeon, Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands, and her supporting officials, who are Allan Gibb from Marine Scotland and Emma Phillips from the Scottish Government. The officials are joining us remotely. I remind them that, if they wish to speak, they should type R in the chat box.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Genetic Technology (Precision Breeding) Bill

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you, minister. We absolutely share your frustration at the lack of time that we have in which to look at this, and we agree that, today, we are not looking at the general principles of genetic engineering or the wider impact that the legislation might or might not have.

My question is about the fact that the Scottish Government, not the UK Government, has brought forward the LCM because the UK Government did not feel that one was required. I understand that the Scottish Government is concerned about the consequential powers in clause 42. Has the Scottish Government had any indication of how the powers are intended to be used in relation to Scotland that would cause you to raise concerns?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Genetic Technology (Precision Breeding) Bill

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Finlay Carson

Have you had any indication that the UK Government would intend to use those powers?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Genetic Technology (Precision Breeding) Bill

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Finlay Carson

Unfortunately, the paper does not immediately make it clear that that letter is from the Scottish Government.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Genetic Technology (Precision Breeding) Bill

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Finlay Carson

Is this the first time that you have had concerns over a clause similar to clause 42? Have there been other examples of Westminster legislation in relation to which you have had to consider such a clause?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Finlay Carson

Does any member wish to comment on the Conservation of Salmon (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2022?

No member has indicated that they wish to comment.

I suggest that, at some point, we consider the paper that has been prepared on the conservation plan. Instruments on this subject often throw up difficulties on river classification, and we had 221 responses on the back of the SSI, so I will ask the clerks to write to request further information.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Finlay Carson

Marine Scotland.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

10:22 Meeting continued in private until 11:33.  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Finlay Carson

I will bring in Ariane Burgess to carry on that theme, unless Jenni Minto’s supplementary question is to do with testing. Is it, Jenni?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Finlay Carson

This discussion is bizarre. George, you talk the talk, and it all sounds very good—you do the soil test and the work after it, and you will save money. That is all good, and it improves biodiversity and helps to tackle climate change. Cabinet secretary, you said that it is not about just ticking a box, but the sad fact is that, up to 12 December, only 12 people had ticked the box. We do not even know whether those 12 people went on to do the wonderful and right things that George Burgess talked about. Given that funding is available for something that is the key to future profitability, future low-impact farming and so on, it seems bizarre that we have had such a massively slow uptake.

You suggested in a letter on the pre-budget scrutiny that the national test programme has been “slow” with a

“mixture of feedback from the sector”.

What is the feedback from the sector? Why is the programme not working? If it is a simple process that results in far better farming, profitability-wise, for the farmer and for climate change and biodiversity, why do we have such a shockingly low uptake? It cannot be about just the lull between people doing the test and claiming, because farmers are not renowned for doing something and not claiming the money back. Where has it all gone wrong?