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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you, deputy convener, and thanks to the witnesses for joining us. Back in April, you responded to the session that the committee had with the petitioner. You noted that, over the past two years, the shooting effort has probably been reduced because of Covid and that that might make it difficult to assess the impact on reducing goose numbers. We have also had the awful outbreak of avian flu. Will you make predictions on how future goose numbers might be affected by the impact of Covid on shooting effort but also by avian flu?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you, convener. It has been so long since I joined a meeting remotely that I have forgotten how to intervene.

I want to go back to the question about corralling. We understand that, between 2001 and 2021, the estimated population of greylag geese on Orkney increased from 1,500 to 26,500. That is a massive increase. My understanding is that corralling involves putting geese into sheep pens and injecting them to put them down humanely. What is the cost per goose of doing that? The geese are then not fit to go into the food chain, and the carcases have to be disposed of. Roughly, what is the cost per bird for corralling and dispatching the geese, just in Orkney, for example?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Finlay Carson

On that basis, if we are looking at an increase of nearly 25,000 birds in Orkney, the 拢50,000 that has been provided to control greylag geese will not go very far. It could be more than spent on Orkney alone, without considering any of the islands on the west coast. That puts the figure of 拢50,000 into perspective鈥攊t is a drop in the ocean of what might be required to control geese numbers.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

I suggest that we focus not on the genetic modification bill specifically, but on the general approach that you would take in seeking an exception and how you would make the case for that.

In your answer, perhaps you could also consider this. We have touched on the single-use plastics exclusion. The process for that was a bit messy and it did not go particularly well. What lessons have you learned from that, and what different approach might you take if you were looking for an exclusion again?

Perhaps you could put all of that in your answer.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That is useful. With regard to practicality, when an exclusion is suggested or requested, at what point do all the devolved nations get involved? Does that happen from the outset? If there is a request for an exclusion on single-use plastics, for example, do the Welsh Parliament and the Northern Ireland Assembly get involved in that discussion or negotiation from the outset, as part of the framework, or do they do so only when there is a potential issue?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Okay. So鈥攋ust to get it clear in my head鈥攖he practical way to do that would be through the policy collaboration group, which has civil servants from the four nations on it. Then, the senior officials programme board, which also has representation from the four nations, would scrutinise it and look at any potential issues. The policy would then go to the interministerial group, where a final decision would potentially be agreed.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Rachael, do you want to continue with your line of questioning?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Alasdair Allan has a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

It is hugely helpful to have a practical idea of how we go through the process. Thank you for that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

The next question is about the loss of capacity from the EU scientific agencies. The vast majority of that question may have been answered, but Karen Adam might have a supplementary question.