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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

That would be done only to get around the law. I do not know of anybody who goes shooting who does not have a dog, and who says to a beater or dog handler, “I’ll have your dog today.” That is a loophole: it is a way of getting around the law that one person cannot have more than two dogs. In a rough shoot, generally there are beaters and people who have dogs, and the people with dogs do not tend to have the guns. The shooters are not in charge of the dogs; the beaters or the people who are there to flush the animals are in charge of the dogs. Many people go to shoots who do not have dogs, but you are suggesting that a beater who turns up with four dogs could speak to somebody with a gun who does not have dogs and say that they will be responsible for two dogs and the beater will be responsible for two, which would get around the law.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

How does the bill set out to differentiate between legal rough shooting with more than two dogs and illegal hunting with more than two dogs? Where does the bill make that clarification?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

On the back of Jim Fairlie’s question, if there are two beaters or dog handlers with two dogs each and one gun, would that be illegal?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

I have to pick up on something that you have said and the minister has also said about chasing, catching and killing a wild mammal, which again has evidenced the lack of understanding of a rough shoot. I know of no occasion when that would be the case during a rough shoot. The dogs that are involved in a rough shoot are highly trained. If I were to go to a rough shoot and my dog was found to be chasing, catching and killing, I would be asked to leave, and I would not be asked back. The dogs just do not do that. Therefore, I would like to see some evidence of a dog chasing, catching and killing an animal at any time during a rough shoot. If that is the basis on which rough shooting is included, that is a false basis.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Yes. It is a stakeholder session. I just want to confirm that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Yes. Is that agreed?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you—that is noted. Is the majority of the committee in favour of having a further stakeholder meeting on 23 November?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

We can certainly do that. Again, however, if we deal with that during our work planning meeting next week, we will have a better indication of the time constraints and how we want to take that forward.

That concludes our business in public, and we now move into private session.

11:25 Meeting continued in private until 11:41.  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

On that basis, is it intended through the bill to ultimately or effectively ban or prevent rough shooting, as you have described it?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That concludes this session. We very much appreciate your time—the additional session will certainly help us as we go forward to stages 2 and 3.

I briefly suspend the meeting until 11:15, to allow the witnesses to leave.

11:12 Meeting suspended.  

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