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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Okay, but that scenario often plays out on a rough shoot.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

I will say where I am struggling. We have heard about how intrinsically different fox hunting and hare coursing are and how we can identify those behaviours because of the different dogs that are used and the different behaviours of the dogs. If that is so clear, surely it would be easy to construct an exemption to identify what rough shooting is. Police Scotland would then not have to work out how many beaters there were on a shoot, how many people had guns, which dogs were doing what and whether they were working together, or whatever. Ultimately, doing that would take the police away from ensuring that easily identified areas of illegal activity are being identified and prosecuted.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Can you give us some examples of when a clearly defined rough shoot, as you understand it, could be identified as hare coursing or illegal fox hunting? When could that happen?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Avian Flu in Scotland

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

This is a yes or no question. What role do local authorities have as public health bodies? Do they have a role in inspecting, or where does that role fall?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Avian Flu in Scotland

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Do you have any concerns about the capacity within local authorities to carry out those requirements?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

The thing is that, in a rough shoot, there could be four dogs working through a piece of rough ground and flushing every piece of prey that comes in front of them. If there was one person outside that group who was shooting from under cover, those dogs would ultimately be working towards the gun, but they would not belong to the guy with the gun; they would belong to the beaters, who were flushing.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Avian Flu in Scotland

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you.

It is important that we understand the seriousness of the outbreak in Scotland and the risk to Scottish producers. In previous weeks, we have heard evidence on the wild bird population and the devastating impact on, for example, goose numbers along the Solway Firth. What is the tie-up between the intensity of the disease in the wild bird population in Scotland and the potential knock-on effect on commercial flocks?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Mike Flynn said that he thinks that it can happen; he did not say that there was any evidence that dogs are chasing, catching and killing rabbits during rough shooting. Again, we are looking specifically at rough shooting. If it is so clearly defined, why is there not an exemption? That is the point that I am driving at.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

That just adds more confusion and again makes me think that what you define as rough shooting is not what it is. You suggested that somebody with a gun and somebody with dogs would have to be associated with each other. In practice, on a rough shoot, there might be five people with guns and eight, nine or 10 people, each with two dogs, who are not associated with the shooters. However, ultimately, the shooters require the dogs to work to flush the rabbits or the game. Will you explain again whether the scenario in which there is one person with a gun who does not have any dogs and two people鈥攖he beaters, if you like鈥攚ho have two dogs each is illegal?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

On firearms, if illegal activity were identified at a rough shoot, would you expect the police to temporarily seize the firearms of those involved?