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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

That completes consideration of the regulations. I thank the minister and her officials for attending.

We will suspend briefly to allow a change in witnesses.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

You are saying that, for the past 20 years, farmers have been encouraged to undertake certain activities in a certain way but, in effect, that has been a waste of time because they were not done on the scale on which they should have been done. When did you realise that that was the case? Why was more not done sooner?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

We sort of have that already with the biosphere in Galloway and southern Ayrshire, which covers around 5,500 km2, but it has no powers, although it got £1.7 million of funding. That model might be an exemplar for a landscape or catchment area type of management. As Rachael Hamilton said, there is a missing link between the commercial side, agriculture and whatever. However, we have a model there, to an extent, for delivering some policies.

Jim Fairlie has a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Our second item of business is consideration of an affirmative instrument. I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands, Mairi Gougeon, and her officials: Kevin Matheson, policy manager in the food and drink industry growth team, and James Hamilton, a lawyer.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2023 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. I remind members who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent.

We have received apologies from Ariane Burgess and Mercedes Villalba.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take agenda item 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Alasdair Allan will, I hope, move on to something more positive.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is pre-legislative scrutiny of Scotland’s future agricultural policy. Our evidence session will focus on biodiversity, and we will take evidence from NatureScot. I welcome to the meeting Ross Lilley, head of natural resource management, and his colleague Professor Des Thompson, principal adviser on biodiversity and science, who join us remotely.

As normal, I ask you to type R in the chat box if you wish to speak. Given that there are only two of you, allowing that should not be too difficult. We have approximately 60 minutes for questioning. I thank you for joining us.

I will kick off with a broad question. Will you give us an indication of the drivers of biodiversity loss within agriculture? What changes have driven that loss historically? What practices have led to the decline or maintain pressures on biodiversity today?

We will kick off with Ross Lilley.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

That is fine.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

We are—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

We will now move on to more detailed scrutiny of the forthcoming agriculture bill.