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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

As there are no other questions, we move on to our third agenda item, which is formal consideration of the motion to approve the instrument.

Motion moved,

That the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee recommends that the Alcoholic Beverages, Fruit and Vegetables (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2023 be approved.鈥擺Mairi Gougeon]

Motion agreed to.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Who would like to go first on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

We have heard from many environmental non-governmental organisations that the proposed tiers are the wrong way round and that we should not have 50 per cent of payments guaranteed and ring fenced, with conditionality, in tier 1. Do you subscribe to the argument that we should have more funding in tiers 3 and 4?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you very much. It has been a fantastic evidence session. Given that Ross is a former Aberdeen agri colleague of mine, I would expect nothing less. Thank you very much, Des Thompson and Ross Lilley, for a great session and for giving us extra time for our questions.

That concludes the public part of our meeting, and we now move into private session.

11:48 Meeting continued in private until 12:12.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

That is helpful. Thank you. We will move on to questions from Rachael Hamilton.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

It seems a bit odd that the only SSI that we have to deal with on a trade deal comes down to labelling and the content of the wine or the grape varieties that are used. We drink Australian wine as well, so is this a result of the flexibility within retained EU law or were there already concessions for Australian wine but not New Zealand wine?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay. So, one of the main reasons for this SSI is that existing legislation dealt with the issue with regard to Australia, because there was an EU deal with Australia, but similar regulations did not exist within EU legislation in relation to New Zealand. I get that now.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Following on from that, I note that you have talked about apps and collecting data. We were due to take evidence from Dieter Helm, who is regarded as a leading expert in natural capital and biodiversity, but, unfortunately, he has not been able to join us today. We have heard about farmers being asked to soil test, and we have heard about farmers having carbon audits, but, last night in Parliament, we heard from representatives from Farming for 1.5掳C that one of the biggest problems is that there is no destination. Farmers do not know why they are doing these things and what the ultimate outcomes are to be.

Are we a bit like that with biodiversity, too? We used to have FWAGs鈥攆arming and wildlife action groups. Officers would come out and help farmers put together plans for restoring waterways, building dykes and improving habitats; they worked with farmers to see what improvements had been made. We have lost that over the past 15 to 20 years. Do we need more people from NatureScot on the ground working with farmers not only to look at what they need to do but to record the positive outcomes? That is what appears to be lacking.

Moreover, what are the timescales for this? We are in a crisis. There is lots of talk about how slow everything is and the fact that things have been delayed. When can we get the app, and when can we get to the point where farmers are realising the benefits of the actions that they are taking?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Before we move on to the next question, I note that we are probably going to run a little over our expected time. Will you be available for a period after half past 11, gentlemen?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

I call Jenni Minto.