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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

We will kick off with questions. Thank you for those opening remarks.

I want to explore how GBGB and Thornton protect the welfare of greyhounds through your role as a director and the board’s role as a nationwide organisation. What evidence do you have that the approach secures the highest level of animal welfare? In your responses, could you set out your role and how you monitor the tracks for GBGB, how data on monitoring is made available and how you engage with the public and external organisations in order to incorporate expert advice? I ask Mark Bird, from the GBGB, to start, and then Paul Brignal to outline how you address potential animal welfare issues.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That concludes the public part of our meeting and we now move into private session.

12:26 Meeting continued in private until 12:46.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay.

We will have three supplementary questions from Christine Grahame, Karen Adam and Mark Ruskell before we move on to the next topic. Again, I am at fault here as well, but I remind everybody of the time constraints that we have.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

But the majority of the greyhounds are kennelled at a GBGB location rather than at the owners’ homes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

To follow up on that, whether it happens or not, there may be an incentive because of the return on betting to illegally enhance the performance of a greyhound that is racing at a GBGB track. However, at Thornton, the only bookmaking service available is the one bookmaker at the track and there is no external or online betting. Is that what you are saying?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

That takes us nicely on to geopolitical and environmental risks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

We wanted to get your views on whether you can see anything in the future around natural impacts—the change in weather or increase in pests—that we need to be aware of and potentially consider as part of the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

Throughout the evidence, it has been implied that unlicensed or flapper tracks are more dangerous and more likely to have illegal activity or whatever. Is that the case? Is Thornton different from other unlicensed or flapper tracks in the UK?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

I am really struggling here. We are not comparing apples with apples. Most of the information that we have had from the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission is about the activities of the GBGB and professional, industrial-scale greyhound racing, if I can put it that way. However, what we have not had, which makes this difficult, is information surrounding the one and only flapper track, as it is described—the unlicensed track.

There is legislation in place specifically to protect greyhounds—greyhounds are mentioned in the legislation—but what confidence can we have that there are no animal welfare issues at Thornton if there is not regular inspection somehow? I understand that the SSPCA does not have access to—or has not taken access to—Thornton, and we have no other way to understand whether there are or are not animal welfare issues at the track and, subsequently, in the breeding of those animals. You are saying that it is mostly a hobby thing.

How are we to understand how we can improve animal welfare if we do not have Scotland-specific information? We have no GBGB tracks in Scotland; we have only an unlicensed track. So, how can we be confident—or what needs to be put in place to ensure—that we know that the current legislation ensures the best welfare for greyhounds? Do you think that the SSPCA or the Government should be doing more to ensure animal welfare at these tracks? All the information in front of us is about the GBGB, and, from what I understand, it is comparing apples with pears. Your business at Thornton is completely different from the GBGB model.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Finlay Carson

Welcome back, everybody. Our next item of business this morning is consideration of PE1758, which is on ending greyhound racing in Scotland. I welcome to the meeting Paul Brignal, who is the owner and director of Thornton Greyhounds; and Mark Bird, who is the chief executive officer, and Professor Madeleine Campbell, who is an independent director, of the Greyhound Board of Great Britain.

We have about 75 minutes for questions and discussion. I invite all our witnesses to give a short opening statement. I will ask Paul Brignal to start.