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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

Christine Grahame is next.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

We should therefore be proud of our TB-free status and look to protect it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee in 2023. Before we begin, I remind members who are using mobile devices to turn them to silent. We have received apologies from Karen Adam, and I welcome Emma Harper, who is attending in Karen鈥檚 place.

Our business today is consideration of the Tuberculosis (Scotland) Order 2023. I remind everybody that we were not supposed to meet today, but we had some questions about the order last week and are fortunate to have officials from the Scottish Government with us at short notice to answer some questions that arose when we briefly looked at it. I welcome Sheila Voas, the chief veterinary officer, and Louise Cameron, the policy officer for the disease control branch.

I will kick off the questions. Can you tell us what the current situation is with TB in Scotland?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

How often are herds in Scotland tested?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

For the record, I want to be clear about the whole process, as it might be helpful for anybody who is listening to the session. If I were a dairy farmer in the south of Scotland鈥攁s I was鈥攁nd I decided to buy some cattle from Devon, which is an area with a high incidence of TB, what process would I have to go through now, and what will the process be once the legislation comes into force?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

I suppose that the nature of the secondary legislation is such that, if things were to ramp up in other nations, you could come back with further restrictions or reductions in compensation or penalties if you thought that that would help to preserve our status.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I tend to agree. Last night, at the BVA dinner, there was a fantastic discussion about, and recognition of, the issues right across the UK among vets and representatives from every part of the country. That was helpful.

I have one very short, technical question. We touched on cross-compliance and potential cross-compliance penalties. Will there be a requirement for animal health and cross-compliance provisions in the proposed agriculture bill? We have started pre-legislative consideration of the bill, which will be before us after the summer.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

We are disease free. Is that the norm? Can you give us an indication of how many countries in Europe have TB and how many are disease free?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

I am glad that you have clarified the clean animal issue. My first reading was that TB was not necessarily the trigger for that and that it was a reduction that applied anyway. I could not quite understand why there was any compensation for animals that were sent to slaughter unclean. Thank you for clarifying that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Finlay Carson

Rachael Hamilton touched on the levels of compensation and the consultation responses. It is not clear to us why some of the people who responded were for some of the proposals and some were against them. Did the people who were against the current policy want it to go further? Should more emphasis be put on the need for individuals to avoid at all costs buying cattle from highly infected areas? If there were no compensation, that would mean that, if I were to go to Devon and bring back an animal, I would be aware that I was taking a risk. Why should I get compensation when I would potentially be putting the health status of the whole Scottish herd at risk? Did any consultation responses suggest that the Scottish Government should go further?