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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

Agenda item 2 is an evidence-taking session with the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands, for which we have scheduled 90 minutes. I welcome to the meeting the cabinet secretary, Mairi Gougeon, and her Scottish Government officials: George Burgess, director of agriculture and rural economy, and Annabel Turpie, director of Marine Scotland.

We will kick off with questions on the proposed agriculture bill. First, cabinet secretary, can you give us an update on where exactly we are with that? When can we expect the bill to be introduced?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

There is a lot going on with marine protected areas, highly protected marine areas and international fisheries negotiations. Are any changes planned to the structure of Marine Scotland?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

I think that there is reasonable doubt over that, and it might be something that needs to be considered in our stage 1 report. There is nothing more about “could” or “would” in the legislation. However, you have put the matter on the record.

Christine, would you like to ask your other question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

We can come back to you—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

I want to go back to the issue of licensing, but I want to make sure that I am not going to step on any of my colleagues’ toes. What are your thoughts about the one-year duration of the licence? Would it not give more certainty and reduce NatureScot’s workload if it was a multiyear licence?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

Maybe a change in the legislation would address that issue of the burden of proof. I just want clarity on that. Do you think that there will be any grounds to make a clear offence in the bill that would make it easier to prosecute those who tamper with traps?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

The problem is that the term “proportionate” will have a completely different meaning to someone from the RSPB, for example, and to someone who is managing a grouse moor. Does the legislation not need to set out those differences instead of just having the term “proportionate”?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

I am conscious of the time.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

There is some suggestion that the Climate Change Committee is reviewing its position in the light of new evidence that suggests that muirburn is carbon positive in comparison with other methods of vegetation control. We will certainly look at that further down the line.

Thank you for that clarification. There was some concern that, if people got the wrong licences for peatland or non-peatland, that could ultimately result in criminal proceedings. That clarification has been very helpful.

I wonder whether you would consider a de minimis area. You talked about using a 100m by 100m grid. That may need to be included in the bill, to make sure that some people are not needlessly caught up in the legislation. We might consider that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Finlay Carson

On the agriculture bill, it would be helpful to get a clear indication of what “this year” means, given the tight timescales that we will be working to to get a new system in place. Can you be any clearer on what “this year” means?