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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

The question is, that amendment 170 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

The question is, that amendment 105 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 28 disagreed to.

Amendments 154 and 29 not moved.

Section 12 agreed to.

Section 13—Modification, suspension and revocation of muirburn licence

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 4, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 31 disagreed to.

Section 14—Muirburn Code

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 4, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 103 disagreed to.

Amendment 42 not moved.

Section 16, as amended, agreed to.

After section 16

Amendment 168 moved—[Rhoda Grant].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

As we know, the objectives are very high level. As a result, people’s understanding of what they mean differs quite broadly. We heard from your officials at a previous evidence session that they should be interpreted according to their “ordinary meaning”. There is some confusion about what that means and how that might be defined in the future. How will the objectives help stakeholders to understand what the broad aspirations and general policy direction are, and how will they be measured? Will you further define the objectives and what their expected outcomes will look like? If so, when?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

I was referring to the terms in the objectives. Take the objective on regenerative and sustainable agriculture for example. How might that be defined?

There could be issues further down the road because of the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 or something else, and there could be an argument about what the ordinary description is. That could be solved by being more specific about what the objectives mean in practice.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

There was a suggestion that we should try to finish the first session at 1 o’clock, but I am minded to carry on until 1.45 at the latest. We will continue to consider the amendments.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

We intend to finish at 1.45, which should be before your committee reconvenes. That will also give people time to prepare for questions this afternoon. I will press on. We may finish before 1.45. We indicated that we expected to finish the session by 1 o’clock but, given the progress that we have made, we need to try to push on a little bit. However, I take on board your comments.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

I am really confused. We know what the status quo is. The committee will have to comment on and, ultimately, amend the bill that is in front of us. The level of the cap that you foresee being in place in the future will be critical to our larger farms and, as we have heard, to some of our smaller producers. When will you make it clear exactly what your position is on capping, top slicing or front loading? We are now at the business end of the bill process. We know where we are at the moment, but we need to know where we will be in two or three years’ time. Surely you can give us some indication of whether it is your intention to extend the capping powers or to retain them at the level that they are at just now.