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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

I will go back to proposed new section 12D on modification, suspension and revocation of licences. It clearly states:

“The relevant authority may ... suspend a wildlife trap licence if, despite the relevant authority not being satisfied as mentioned in paragraph (b)(ii) ... there is an official investigation or proceedings in relation to a suspected relevant offence”.

That takes NatureScot out of the loop. You can voice your concerns that you are not satisfied that an offence has taken place, but a licence can still be suspended. Are you comfortable with that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

I call Rachael Hamilton, to be followed by Jim Fairlie.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

You are referring to reports by the RSPB, which is not independent. Surely, the national wildlife crime report would be the place where such findings would be reported. I think that you said there were 26 cases in Scotland. Does that refer specifically to grouse moors?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

On the point about the evidence, it is now between eight and 15 years since there has been a review by the Scottish Government or whoever that would inform the national wildlife crime report. Why are we about to bring in legislation that would appear to depend on research done by the RSPB?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

I was simply suggesting that you could be put in a difficult position. You might have additional resources, but we all know that resources are absolutely limited. Given some of your other roles, such as the challenges that you are dealing with in the cost of living crisis, you might be asked to prioritise your work, and that could potentially come down to your income and the availability of resources. Would you need to be directed on what your priorities were when dealing with wildlife or would that be something that the SSPCA would look to prioritise?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

It was mentioned at our previous evidence session that there is no requirement for NatureScot to be satisfied that there has been an offence, and that all that is needed for suspension of a licence is an official investigation. As far as I am aware, as soon as someone phones the police and the police take any action, that is official: there is never an unofficial police investigation. What are your comments on that cloudy area in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

No. It is quite clear that the provisions on glue traps are not related to grouse-moor management. They are related to general animal welfare concerns.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

No, I am not suggesting that you are doing this for the money or whatever. However, if you have a campaign to ban snares for example, but you also have powers to gather evidence on or investigate those things, there could be a suggestion that, because you are getting the bulk of your income from an anti-snaring body, you are disproportionately targeting that to provide evidence. I am not suggesting that you are doing something for the wrong reason, but that could be an implication of that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Ariane Burgess has a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

We have a final question on snaring from Jim Fairlie.