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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 24th meeting of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee in 2023. Before we begin, I remind those members who are using electronic devices to please switch them to silent. We have received apologies from Jim Fairlie.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take item 3 in private. Are we agreed to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

We touched on it in the previous committee meeting. The Bew review suggested that there was an injustice in agricultural funding across the whole of the UK, and that was addressed by Scotland getting an additional 拢60 million, or thereabouts, over two years. The Scottish Government got that money and it was ring fenced, but what happened to it? What is the timescale for that money coming back into the agriculture budget? Will it be backdated?

10:15  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay, but it is clear from what you have said previously that 拢680 million is ring fenced. It is either the agriculture budget or it is Bew money, which you have said was ring fenced. If that ring fencing is intact next year, we will have 拢680 million, but there might be savings from that. The cost saving that you had previously was the 拢33 million that you said would come back to the budget. The figure that we are looking at is 拢680 million, but that would be subject to money being taken out of that budget for overall Government savings.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Which is approximately 拢646 million.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you鈥攖hat makes it a bit clearer.

Before we move on to fisheries, Alasdair Allan has a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Do you have a float or a contingency fund? Historically, the European Union was pretty good at fining us. We are not talking about that specific case, because it is something that happens on an annual basis. We know that farmers get penalised, and those penalties can go back as far as 10 years. The fines go into a pot of money. If there is to be a UK Government or a European fine, where would that money come from? Would it come out of next year鈥檚 budget? Is there a contingency for those situations?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

I have a question on science, technology and innovation. We now have technology that uses artificial intelligence to identify different fish stocks when they are brought on to boats. That is a fantastic opportunity for accurate monitoring of the populations of cod, herring or whatever in our seas, but some fishing fleets are reluctant to have that technology on board because of the discard ban. Currently, it is almost certain that some species of fish will be landed that are not the target species, and those fish are not able to be discarded, so there could be implications in terms of fines or quotas.

Is there any potential for a moratorium on that so that we get a real sense of what our fishermen are catching and what the implications are for stock calculations? An investment from the Scottish Government in that type of technology might go a long way towards baselining what is actually in our seas and where it is.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay鈥攖hat brings us to the end of our session. I very much appreciate your giving us a bit more of your time, cabinet secretary鈥攖he session has been most helpful.

That concludes our business in public and we move into private session.

10:43 Meeting continued in private until 12:28.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

The agriculture bill will be coming sometime soon. The Welsh have already put in place the Agriculture (Wales) Act 2023, under which the Welsh Government has made a commitment to make a plan for multiyear funding and how that could deliver on its priorities. What are your views on the inclusion of a multiyear obligation in the agriculture bill?