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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

I suppose that our fishers are concerned about how high the bar will be set. I understand what you are saying about the importance of bycatch, but the question is where the Government sits as regards how high the bar is set and what would potentially trigger a prosecution if the cameras detected the discarding of fish. There is also uncertainty about what evidence would be used only for scientific purposes, to give you a better understanding of the situation.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Okay, thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

That is not what the committee is hearing. For example, we had an indicative cost for cameras on scallop boats of between £3,500 and £4,000, but that was based on analogue cameras, which no longer fit the technical specification. We are looking at a considerably higher cost for digital cameras, and the industry says that it was not part of that—it did not know what the spec was—and that its response might have been different if it had known that digital cameras would be required and existing analogue cameras would be redundant.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

I am sorry, but what does that mean? Is that the ability to apply an exemption or to potentially give compensation? For some pelagic boats, that could be hundreds of thousands of pounds or more from one fishing trip. You are saying that you have the ability to cope with issues when, for example, there is a failure in cameras, winch monitors or whatever, but how would you deal with that? Would you provide compensation if there is a situation that is outwith the captain’s control and the vessel is unable to fish?

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Cabinet secretary, we are aware that we are now at risk of running significantly over our allocated time. Are you able to stay with us for a little bit longer?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

I appreciate that. Thank you very much.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Going back to transparency and data sharing, you touched on the idea of making some of the data publicly available. There are gaping holes in the draft instrument before us, however, and it does not address a lot of the concerns that would naturally arise from that. There is a lack of clarity about how the data will be managed, and there are questions about how it will be stored, who will be the data controller, who will have access to it and how it will be used for wider science and monitoring purposes. Surely it should have been made quite clear in the instrument how the data was going to be used. Given the commercial sensitivity, alarm bells are sounded, in particular, when you suggest that some of the information might be available to the public. You have said that you might want to do that, but nowhere in the instrument have you set out what constraints and regulations there will be around how Government deals with the data.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

That is all very well, but should that not have been specified in the instrument? We are expected to vote to introduce the regulations, but there are not actually any safeguards, and we are just taking your word for it that the data will only be used in certain ways. Why were those details not included, to give some certainty and transparency about how the Government intends to use the data?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

There is one question that I do not think that we have covered. Given that the specification and the annual costs that are set out in the BRIA are being disputed, has any consideration been given to providing grant funding to ensure that those boats can upgrade to the technical specification?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I do not believe that we have any further questions.

We move to the next agenda item, which is the formal consideration of the motion to approve the instrument. I invite the cabinet secretary to move motion S6M-12641.

Motion moved,

That the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee recommends that the Sea Fisheries (Remote Electronic Monitoring and Regulation of Scallop Fishing) (Scotland) Regulations 2024 be approved.—[Mairi Gougeon.]