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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

I really appreciate your having come to represent Morrisons and Asda today, whereas others have failed to represent their organisations. After this session, I hope that you believe that we do not bite. We are here to bring clarity and transparency to the food chain, and we really appreciate your involvement in that. No doubt, we will be in touch again. We might have some written questions that we would like you to follow up on. Thank you very much once again.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

We now move to the first of this morning’s two round-table sessions on the Scottish Government’s proposed stage 2 amendments to the Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill. This session will focus on the proposed ban on the use of snares in Scotland.

As we have a tight hour in which to get through the questions, I will go round the table rather than allow the witnesses to introduce themselves. We have with us Jessica Findlay from NatureScot; Glynn Evans from the British Association for Shooting and Conservation; Libby Anderson from the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission; Ross Ewing from Scottish Land & Estates; Penny Middleton from the National Farmers Union Scotland; Conor Kelly from the Scottish Gamekeepers Association; Bob Elliot from OneKind; Ross MacLeod from Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust; and Chief Superintendent Mike Flynn from the Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

As I have said, there are a lot of people in the session and we have only an hour, so I must ask everyone to keep their contributions short and indicate that they want to come in only when they have something further to add in response to the question. We will take one question from each committee member and, at the end, we will, I hope, have time for some supplementary questions from members. If you raise your hand, I will try to bring you in, in turn, to address the question that has been asked.

I will kick off with the first question. What do you believe the animal welfare impacts of snaring in Scotland are, and do you agree with the Scottish Government’s proposal to implement a full ban on the use of snares? Are there any arguments for any exemptions?

It is probably simplest to start with Jessica Findlay, who is to my right.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

I am afraid we have to move on. We have only 15 minutes left and we still have quite a few questions to get through.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I will bring in Ross Ewing and then Glynn Evans.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

I will bring in Ross Ewing next, and then Bob Elliot.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Just on that point, I posed a question on convictions and whatever to the minister a number of times. At the moment, as we have heard from Conor Kelly, there are quite strict guidelines about the way in which snares are set. How many convictions or cases have you investigated where snares have been set legally and resulted in a bad outcome?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Before we move on, I want to explore the licensing scheme a little more. At the moment, we do not have an amendment from the Scottish Government relating to snares because the Scottish Government suggested before the summer that it wanted to do more work to look into the various devices. The Government has still not made its position clear. However, it suggested that Scottish Land & Estates had come up with a potential licensing scheme. The Government has looked at that proposal only in the past few days, which is quite remarkable.

I will go to NatureScot first. What are NatureScot’s views on the potential licensing scheme and is it one that NatureScot could manage?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

We have run out of time, but there is one topic that I would like you to briefly touch on—we might write to you for further clarification on it. It concerns the Groceries Code Adjudicator, which Rachael Hamilton will ask about.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is an evidence session on future agriculture policy with representatives of major supermarkets in Scotland.

First, I put on record that we asked Tesco, Co-op and Aldi to join us for the session and clearly explained the reasons behind having it. Nonetheless, very disappointingly, those three supermarkets declined our invitation.

I am delighted to welcome to the meeting Chris Brown, who is the sustainable business director at Asda, and Sophie Throup, who is the technical and sustainability director of manufacturing at Morrisons. Thank you for joining us.

We have approximately an hour for questions. I will kick off. What is your view of how the food supply chain typically operates in the United Kingdom and the role of major retailers such as yourselves in it? I will kick off with Chris Brown.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Finlay Carson

I will take responses from Mike Flynn, Ross Ewing and then Susan Davies.