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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Eleanor Kay will kick off.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

I will bring in Ariane Burgess and then Rachael Hamilton.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Before I bring Kate Forbes in, Eleanor Kay and Ross Lilley might want to make some initial comments.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 34th meeting in 2023 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. I remind everyone who is using electronic devices to turn them to silent.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take item 4 in private. Are members agreed that we should do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Two people want to come in, but I am conscious that we have not heard from our tree colleagues. I ask them for their comments and thoughts about the objectives and whether we need more.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

I will bring in Dave Reay and then Kirsty Tait on this theme, and then move on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is our third round-table discussion on the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill. Today’s evidence session will focus on on-farm nature restoration, climate mitigation and adaptation. We will also discuss the bill more widely. We have up to three hours for discussion.

I welcome to the meeting David Harley, chief officer, circular economy, Scottish Environment Protection Agency; Stuart Goodall, chief executive, Confor; Kirsty Tait, director for Scotland, Food, Farming and Countryside Commission Scotland; Ross Lilley, head of natural resource management, NatureScot; Professor Dave Reay, executive director, Edinburgh Climate Change Institute; Ross MacLeod, head of policy for Scotland, Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust; and Vicki Swales, head of land use policy, RSPB Scotland. Joining us remotely are Professor Davy McCracken, head of the integrated land management department, Scotland’s Rural College; Euan Ross, Scotland manager, Nature Friendly Farming Network; Eleanor Kay, senior policy adviser, Scottish Land & Estates; and Alastair Seaman, director for Scotland, Woodland Trust.

We have a lot of participants, so I ask everyone to be succinct in their questions and answers. Please indicate to me or the clerk when you wish to respond to a question. If you feel that your point has already been made, please simply indicate that you agree and we will move on to the next question.

We will look at the various themes and the four objectives of the agricultural policy that is set out in the bill. I will kick off. First, I seek your views on what

“the facilitation of on-farm nature restoration, climate mitigation and adaptation”

means and whether the bill as it stands will deliver that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

We hear everyone saying that things “should be” in secondary legislation, but do we need to set out in the bill that that needs to happen, or do we just expect it to happen? We are all saying that terms such as “landscape-scale” or “collaboration” need to be included and that we need to define them in secondary legislation. Do we need to put something into the bill that forces or obliges the Government to produce those things, or do we just let it happen?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Five people have indicated that they want to come in, but I will bring in Jim Fairlie, because he has a supplementary question following on from Kirsty Tait’s comments.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Finlay Carson

I beg your pardon—I mean Ross Lilley.