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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

Before I bring in Douglas Bell, I point out that the DPLR Committee accepted that the Government had some absolutely valid reasons for taking powers in the bill. However, the wide scope and range of ministerial powers gives rise to concern, because, with what is a framework bill, the ability of the committee and, indeed, the Parliament as a whole to scrutinise the legislation could ultimately be reduced, and a code of practice will come into that, too. Perhaps, in responding to Alasdair Allan, Douglas Bell could address that question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

I guess that there is not an exhaustive list. I am going to use the word “clutter”, because, looking at the clutter of legislation that is front of us—whether it is on land reform, the biodiversity plan, the climate change plan or a whole range of pieces of legislation—I wonder whether we need to name what ministers must have regard to. Might there instead be a form of words that would ensure that we could hold the Government to account to ensure that all those considerations are part of the plan?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

That is a valid point. As drafted, the bill contains a list of certain things that might lead someone to suggest that, if it is not on the list, the Government will not have to pay regard to it. The bill talks about

“developments in the law and policy of the European Union”

and

“any other statutory duty of the Scottish Ministers relating to agriculture or the environment”.

There could be concerns about what is missing from the list rather than what is on it. That is helpful.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

That is interesting. Scottish Environment LINK created a chart of all the pieces of legislation on rural issues that interact with each other. It was on an A3 sheet of paper, and the writing was still so small that I could hardly read it. That gives a picture of the amount of legislation that is out there that might have an impact on the bill.

We will move on to our next theme, which is about developing a new agricultural support system.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

That brings this part of the session to an end. We will have a pause until 10:40, when we will look at the rural support plan.

10:31 Meeting suspended.  

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

That brings us to another question that we were going to ask, which is about the matters that section 3 of the bill states Scottish ministers must have regard to and that will inform a rural support plan. In your responses, maybe you could consider what the Government should have regard to.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

You certainly can.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

I have something for the committee to reflect on. I will not read this quote in full, because it contains unparliamentary language, but a former NFU Scotland president has suggested that the bill gives the Government the power to do whatever it wants, when it wants, with whatever budget, on policy priorities as yet undecided, or at least unpublished. Is that accurate? I am looking at Professor Thomson again, because he is smiling.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 January 2024

Finlay Carson

Do you have a comment on Ariane Burgess’s point on mental health?