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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Finlay Carson

We move to consideration of an affirmative Scottish statutory instrument. I welcome Jim Fairlie, the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity. I also welcome his officials, John Speirs, who is the senior policy adviser, science and advice for the Scottish agriculture policy and pesticide survey unit, and David Corrigall, who is a solicitor.

I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Finlay Carson

I remind Ms Hamilton and the minister of the necessity of treating one another with respect. I ask for one person to speak at a time.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Finlay Carson

Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Finlay Carson

That is incredibly important, but I can tell you that there does not need to be a decision today. There is flexibility—there will be no cliff edge if we do not make a decision today.

I beg your pardon, Emma. Would you like to come back in?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Finlay Carson

Minister, in your previous response, you said that that could change, depending on the UK budget.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Finlay Carson

It is the wording from the DPLR Committee’s report.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Finlay Carson

But that is not unusual. The first SSI that was dealt with today looks to extend the time, but not to some time far in the future. It covers a realistic time in which some issues can be resolved. We see that regularly. Minister, you will be well aware of the number of times that we have dealt with SSIs relating to extending border control legislation. Those covered not years but a matter of months, which is a reasonable time for these things to be resolved. That is one of my concerns.

I will bring Emma Harper back in.

12:45  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 7, Against 2, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 12 agreed to.

Amendments 13 and 14 moved—[Jim Fairlie]—and agreed to.

Amendment 61 moved—[Finlay Carson].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 71 disagreed to.

Section 4, as amended, agreed to.

Section 5—Revision of code

Amendment 47 moved—[Jim Fairlie].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Finlay Carson

Amendment 75, in my name, is grouped with amendments 76 and 5.

Amendment 75 seeks to make it a statutory requirement to introduce a public awareness campaign specifically to ensure that children are made aware of the code at school.

In its stage 1 report, the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee noted that section 7 says:

“The Scottish Ministers must take reasonable steps to ensure public awareness and understanding of the code of practice”,

and then referred to the policy memorandum, which states that

“For the behavioural shift envisaged to take place, effective public awareness raising will be vital in ensuring those acquiring a dog become aware of and understand the contents of the code and the associated certificate.”

The report then made the point that

“All witnesses supported section 7 and strongly agreed that a public awareness campaign would be essential in order for the bill’s objectives to be achieved.”

The stage 1 report also referenced the Kennel Club’s puppywise survey. According to that organisation, the

“survey found that a fifth of people still spend less than two hours researching whether to get a puppy ... and nearly a third admit that they would not know how to spot a rogue breeder”,

and it concluded that

“For us, the educational piece is really important because, ultimately, we need members of the public to demand better standards of breeders.”

Several animal welfare organisations also talked about the challenges of awareness campaigns having a meaningful impact on public behaviour. The Dogs Trust referred to the “very low” public awareness of the existing code of practice for cats and dogs, while the SSPCA talked about

“people following their hearts, not their heads”

and how

“They know that standing in a car park with a puppy in the boot of a car is the wrong thing to do, but they think, ‘I want to go and rescue that pup, because who else is going to do it?’”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 20 September 2023; c 7, 17.]

That is why the amendment seeks to make a public awareness campaign a statutory requirement.

We believe that children should be made aware of this issue in schools, too. According to new pet population data released by UK Pet Food, in 2024, 56 per cent of new pet owners have children at home. As for more long-term ownership, the National Library of Medicine found that almost 20 per cent of all dog owners had a child at home. One might summarise all that by saying that a sizeable proportion of dog owners have children, and it is therefore clear that targeting a public awareness campaign at schools would reach a sizeable pet owner demographic. As a result, a public awareness campaign with the code of practice explained in simple terms would be effective.

Amendment 76 seeks to make it mandatory for the Scottish Government to consult relevant organisations on raising funds for public awareness. It is incredibly important that the Government works with and consults organisations such as the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Dogs Trust, the Kennel Club, the Battersea Dogs and Cats Home and the SSPCA, to ensure that any public awareness campaign is maximised. Discussions should also take place on the potential funding for public awareness campaigns.

I move amendment 75.