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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Before we move on to the next question, I note that policy making is, obviously, really important. Do we get that thread running through all policy areas to ensure that the human rights of individuals, particularly those in remote and rural areas, are being addressed? If we consider the national outcomes specifically, there is scant reference to rural areas; however, you could say that there are also other parts of society that do not merit a specific mention. Given the work that you have done, is it a glaring gap that remote and rural areas do not feature more in the work towards achieving positive national outcomes?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, I ask everyone to please ensure that their electronic devices are switched to silent. The first item on our agenda is consideration of whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

When we looked at children’s rights not that long ago, there was almost an argument that incorporation was not absolutely necessary and that, if people wanted to do the right thing, they could do it without needing legal pressure to do so. Is it possible to improve access to justice for communities in the Highlands and Islands without that incorporation? If so, how do you suggest that it might be done?

09:15  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

We will certainly come back to that issue, and I hope that I have not stepped on any members’ toes with that question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Have you learned any lessons from your work in the Highlands and Islands that might lead you to take a slightly different approach to your work in the south of Scotland? We do not have the island communities in the south of Scotland, but we have similar challenges. Will you take a slightly different approach in the light of your findings from the Highlands and Islands surveys?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

That gives me a great way in to congratulate Garlieston primary school, in my region. Under the stewardship of Caroline Howatson, a teacher there, it has recently won an award for the work that it has done on human rights. I regularly see primary schools that are doing that sort of work, which is absolutely fundamental to ensuring that people recognise what they should and should not expect as they go through life. It is great to have the opportunity to say that.

Tim Eagle is next.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

We move to questions from Rhoda Grant.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Our second item of business is an evidence session with the Scottish Human Rights Commission on its report “Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”. I welcome to the meeting Professor Angela O’Hagan, who is the chair of the commission, and Dr Luis F Yanes, who is the Highlands and Islands project leader. Thank you, both, for joining us this morning. I remind you that you do not need to operate your own microphones, as someone will do that for you.

We have until approximately 10:30 for questions, and I will kick off. The commission has been seeking the incorporation of ESC rights for quite some time, and we know that the human rights bill is now delayed. Can you tell us how such a bill would affect the ability to meet human rights obligations in the Highlands and Islands?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

So, the incorporation of human rights is almost a backstop, but it is required to ensure that other policies that might be trying to deliver human rights have teeth, if you like.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Baselining expectations will be quite important. The Scottish household survey showed levels of satisfaction, but was that in relation to what people thought expectations were? I will never forget a former chair of Dumfries and Galloway NHS Board saying that people who live in a certain community—I will not mention which one—“shouldn’t expect that”. In other words, if people move to the area, they should not expect to have a GP or dentist.

Are some of the levels of satisfaction based on what people think they should expect to have? Where we see satisfaction on schools or transport, is that based on someone who lives in a small village thinking that they cannot really expect the bus to come any more than once a day, or they cannot really expect to see a GP without having to travel 50 miles, for instance? If everybody was baselined and they all had the same expectations, those levels of satisfaction would be significantly different.