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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

That concludes our questions this morning. Thank you for joining us. The committee will now move into private session.

10:12 Meeting continued in private until 10:43.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

The member in charge of the bill is not here, but that is certainly something that we will ask him about.

It appears that the thrust of the bill is very much about the personal connection that an individual has with an animal, whether it is an assistance dog, a companion dog or a pet. That raises the question of whether Shep the collie, the working sheepdog, should be recognised in some way. If a shepherd was to lose his collie, that would have a major impact on his ability to do his job, but that area is not touched on at all. It feels as though the bill is very much about the emotional impact on victims and how to address that. At stage 2, should we look not just at assistance dogs but at working dogs and someone鈥檚 ability to carry out their day-to-day work?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, I ask everyone to ensure that their electronic devices are switched to silent.

The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to consider in private the evidence taken in our scrutiny of the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill at this and future meetings and our consideration of draft reports on the bill at future meetings. Are we agreed to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We will move on to section 1 of the bill, and we have a question from Evelyn Tweed.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Emma Roddick has further questions on impact statements.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

The SSPCA highlighted the calls that it has received about dogs involved in domestic break-ups. What is your view of section 1(2) and the defence that an offence is not committed after a relationship break-up?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Will the inclusion of such a provision achieve something that cannot be achieved under the common-law offence of theft?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Currently, is a criminal more likely to be convicted of an animal welfare charge or a theft charge in the event of a pet being stolen?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

The next item on our agenda is our first evidence session on the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill.

I welcome our panel of representatives from stakeholder organisations. This morning, we are joined by Chief Inspector Michael Booker, Police Scotland; Dr Paula Boyden, veterinary director, the Dogs Trust; Laura Buchan, procurator fiscal for policy and engagement, the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Gilly Mendes Ferreira, director of strategic communications and partnership engagement鈥攎y goodness鈥攖he Scottish SPCA; Mike Moore, policy and campaigns manager for Scotland, the Guide Dogs for the Blind Association; and Stuart Munro, convener of the criminal law committee, the Law Society of Scotland. You are all very welcome.

I also welcome Maurice Golden MSP, who is the member in charge of the bill, although I understand that he will be with us for only a short time this morning.

We have up to 90 minutes for the session. Before we start, I remind everyone that you do not need to operate your microphones; we have a gentleman here who will do it for you.

I will kick off with the first question. There are no official statistics on the level of dog thefts in Scotland or across the United Kingdom. However, Police Scotland provided the data that there were 63 dog thefts recorded in 2024. Do we believe that that is an accurate figure? If not, what is the best available data indicating the number of dog thefts and the trends in Scotland?

Who would like to kick off?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Finlay Carson

When you say that it is not accurate, is that because the figure is likely to be a lot higher? [Interruption.]