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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I call Mercedes Villalba.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I will go round the table, because I am quite sure that you will all have something to say on this.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Should the bill reflect the capacity or the lack of it within some of the public bodies that need to be involved in the process? For example, Emma and others have touched on the current race for onshore as well as offshore renewables, but the capacity within local authorities to look at and review those environmental impact assessments is a massive issue. Some local authorities with the bulk of the wind farm applications have only a part-time biodiversity officer.

Should something within the bill ensure capacity within the whole chain of the EIA process to deal with it adequately? At the moment, local authorities are not able to deal with that process and applications are automatically passed to the energy consents unit to decide. That effectively bypasses some of the scrutiny and some of the local democracy. Do we need something in the bill that ensures that the process is fit for purpose and that there is capacity to deliver the right outcomes, particularly on planning applications?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

How realistic is that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I suppose that the process can work, but the evidence right now is that it does not, because a huge number of applications bypass a whole part of that scrutiny—the local authority part—and go straight to the energy consents unit, which nobody knows about. It is a secret department within the Government. It is incredibly difficult to find out how that decision-making process works. The EIA process might be there but, if we cannot deliver it, is it fit for purpose? That is my query.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

This question might be one for Jamie. Does the bill need to address the inadequacies, the lack of resourcing and whatever? Again, I want to go back to local authorities. Often, the energy consents unit will put on obligations or planning conditions to address issues that are raised in an EIA, but the obligation to monitor whether the mitigations, monitoring or whatever have been put in place fall back on the local authority, which does not have the resources to do that.

Whether it is testing water quality or counting to make sure that a number of crested newts have been relocated or whatever, do we need a provision in the bill to ensure that any statutory obligations or constraints that are put on planning can be monitored and mitigated by—in many cases—the local authority?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Should there be further requirements in the bill for the Government to consult with the wider scientific world and then for the Parliament to decide whether that consultation is adequate to deliver the aims of the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of our session. Thank you all very much for your time. It is much appreciated. As often happens, the discussion has raised more questions than answers, but we appreciate your time and commitment.

11:57 Meeting continued in private until 12:24.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of the questions on part 1. I propose that we have a five-minute comfort break and resume just after 5 to 11.

10:52 Meeting suspended.  

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We will certainly come to a question that focuses on that area.

On safeguards, the bill does not have a non-regression provision. Does that need to be included? Why has it not been included?