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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

To wrap this up, biodiversity data will be key to the bill鈥檚 effectiveness鈥攊t will be the fundamental basis for measuring everything. Will organisations and public bodies such as yours look at full cost recovery for the work to collect biodiversity data? For example, when Crown Estate Scotland leases the sea bed for fish farms or offshore wind, will it look at licensing that covers the costs of gathering the biodiversity data as base data and improving that over the time of a project? The same question goes for Scottish Forestry or the commercial side of forestry. Should that cost be passed on? If not, how else will such work be funded? It is obvious that there will not be the capacity financially or in resources generally to deliver the biodiversity data that will be needed.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We have also heard that the keeping pace powers cover most of the concerns that you raised in your first response to Rhoda Grant. Is that not the case? Do you want to consider that, along with Rhoda鈥檚 question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We move on to questions from Mark Ruskell.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That probably takes us on to another question from Mark Ruskell on the current scope of powers in regard to net zero.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you.

I asked Brendan Callaghan about the wide provisions in part 2 of the bill and whether they are a sledgehammer to crack a nut. All the witnesses we have heard from up to now would quite like part 2 to be removed altogether. They see no need for it. There are also concerns about there being no overarching environmental safeguards or limitations on how the power in part 2 might be used. Should there be a non-regression provision, or are the safeguards sufficient? If they are not, what would you like to see added? I ask Brendan to kick off, and then I will move on to Katherine Leys and Alex Flucker.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We might be operating under a Government of a certain colour now, but that might not be the case in a year鈥檚 time. Are the necessary safeguards in place to make sure we do not damage nature in the future? That is the angle that I am coming from.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Is there a risk that we could end up with an endless list, with the focus then on the things that were excluded from the list rather than those that were on it? You could argue that indigenous species or indigenous populations should be protected or that there should be a focus on sustainable economic regeneration or development. Those things are included in other bullet points but they are not specifically set out in the bill. I apologise to any planners who are watching, but we know what planners are like. Could having what appears to be a hierarchy of objectives lead to unintended outcomes? Katherine Leys, is that possible? I presume that the shrug of your shoulders suggests that that could be a possibility.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Katherine Leys, it might be one for you, given your experience of national parks and the role that you play.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Dumfries and Galloway, in particular, has one of the most intensive commercial forestry areas in the whole United Kingdom. Indeed, it is probably one of the biggest areas that Scottish Forestry manages, with extensive commercial woodlands. Are you concerned about the potential for the minister to designate Galloway as a national park? Would that cause you issues with your current plans for commercial forestry?