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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I have looked at your faith forum. In your opening remarks, you mentioned Engender and Rape Crisis Scotland. Who else has the church engaged with to form opinion?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Chris Ringland, you mentioned the Cass review, which, as we know, is at the interim report stage. In England, there has been a significant increase in the number of referrals of children and young people to gender recognition clinics. You seem to have quite a strong view on the importance of that review; should the bill be paused until the review publishes in full?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Do any other members of the panel have a view on the Cass review and how important it is in the context of what we are doing in Scotland? It seems not.

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Good morning, panel. First, I ask witnesses to explain their views on the proposal in the bill to lower the age for a GRC from 18 to 16. I ask the Rev Karen Hendry to start. We have heard that the Church of Scotland agrees with discontinuing mandatory assessments but not with lowering the age from 18 to 16. May I have your views, please?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I want to develop that line of questioning. If, for example, the Government reform went through and all the suggestions and policy reforms were passed in the Parliament, would that make you feel uncomfortable about your position of removing the need for an assessment, given that you do not support the lowering of the age to 16? I accept the arguments that you have made. How would you feel about that? How would the church feel about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I will extend the question to the other witnesses. Let me ask Fraser Sutherland first.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

It is strange how laws and regulations work. After all, you cannot get a credit card, place a bet, get a tattoo or drink alcohol until you are 18. The rules and regulations are strange for 16 to 18-year-olds.

Chris, can I bring you in here?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I want to pick up on what Mr Kerr said regarding the allocation of prison accommodation. I would like clarity on how part 13 of the Prisons and Young Offenders Institutions (Scotland) Rules 2011 works with your policy. The rules state:

“Female prisoners must not share the same accommodation as male prisoners.â€

Your current policy states that prison accommodation

“should reflect the gender in which the person in custody is currently living.â€

Does that breach the 2011 rules? How do they work together?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Why is it that you have a different view from that of so many senior quantitative social scientists, who feel that it is very important to collect clear data on sex?

For example, we just spoke with a witness regarding the differences between England and Wales and Scotland. In the Scottish census, which you mentioned, the meanings of sex are different, so if NRS is then working with other bodies across England and Wales, how does that square?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

You referenced the census quite a lot, but only 86 per cent of people filled it in and there is concern that that data will not be able to be used in a quantitative manner. The census is a very difficult example to use in the current circumstances.

Everything is based on data. Criminal justice data, for example, is based on sex, not self-identification. I think that some people in public bodies would be concerned that there will be an impact. I do not really agree with what you said, because you started out by saying that you do use data. We use data here; we collected data and did a consultation, and 59 per cent of those who responded to that consultation disagreed with the principles of the bill. There are so many questions to be answered, such as how will the gender pay gap be measured? I am not sure that I feel reassured by your argument that we just need to base everything on self-identification.