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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

We need to see some evidence on that, please, Mr Marsland, because we heard differently from practitioners last week.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Last week, mention was made of the need to reapply for a licence time after time, particularly during a vulnerable season, such as lambing, but licences for preservation, protection or restoration could be valid for up to two years, because they have the positive consequence of benefiting the land by increasing the biodiversity of species.

Earlier, you mentioned the issue of topography and the difficulty of controlling predators in dense woodland or whatever. From your experience of working with farmers, do you think that the process will be bureaucratic and not very time efficient for them, as they will have to continually apply for licences? Do you think that there should be an option to have a general licence rather than a 14-day licence?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

We heard evidence that licensing will vary by situation. The Scottish Government cited a stoat eradication project in Orkney, and there are also measures to increase numbers of capercaillie through control of foxes and pine martens. NatureScot is well aware of the facts and is able to be the body that issues the licences. Do you have an opinion on the evidence that we have heard so far on ensuring that the licensing scheme is as practical and workable as possible?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

On Mr Marsland’s point about the police not having enough resources, should that issue be addressed by the Government? Moreover, what is a field investigator?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I asked the question because we are hearing evidence from all sorts of people who are going to be affected by the bill, and we heard last week about some of its possible unintended consequences. It might be useful to look at that evidence if you have time, because it was interesting.

I will press you on a specific area. You say in your report that, if there are fewer than two dogs when flushing, that

“could seriously compromise effective pest control”

in the countryside. How might that observation, which you made in your review of the 2002 act, have a bearing on or lend weight to the argument about the two-dog limit in the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

It is good for the committee to understand the difference between various methods of control with dogs. Are you saying that, from a scientific or evidence-based stance, you still agree with what you concluded about the compromising of effective pest control? At last week’s meeting, Ian Duncan Millar spoke about his experience of foot packs. I cannot remember how many dogs he said that he used, but it might have been 30.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I would like to clarify something, too. Lord Bonomy, you said that alternative forms of predator control should be available. One alternative form, which is relevant to Ariane Burgess’s point, is shooting combined with the use of dogs—lamping, in other words. That can have welfare implications because, if there is not a good line of sight and there is good cover at night time, there is a chance that a fox could be wounded. I am not sure whether I can ask you this but, from your point of view, is one method better than another in terms of welfare?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Okay. Thank you.

I want to follow up what Mr Richards said. You said that you would get back to the committee on a non-native species that is a risk to agriculture. Given all the new competences that we may have for controlling non-native species on the uplands—for example, controlling bracken with Asulam for tick populations—it is important that such products do not affect the spread of ticks, for example.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

This is really difficult to articulate, but the main issue that we are considering is how to have a workable and practical way of controlling predators that protects livestock and ensures the highest possible level of animal welfare. Based on the changes that will be made and on what you said previously, could there be any problems relating to the welfare of foxes?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

We have been given sight of your review, which mentions an issue with animal welfare if fewer than two dogs are used.