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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I have some quick questions on the back of Alasdair Allan’s questions. What facilities and storage do the police have for the purposes of seizing a horse or storing a quad bike, and who pays for that?

My second question, which is about spurious allegations, is for most of the witnesses. Robbie Marsland spoke about field investigators. In the case of an allegation from a field investigator, for example, would a licence be revoked on sight or on conviction? If a farmer suffers loss of livelihood, should there be compensation? NatureScot will know how general licences work, but there is nothing in the bill that suggests that there could be compensation or that there could be a method for appealing against a conviction. Robbie Kernahan, do you want to take that question with regard to how general licences operate?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

You would need to consider where the horse would go after that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

You note in your written evidence that the bill contains no provision for

“police powers to arrest or search”.

Can you explain why the general powers that are available to Police Scotland and those powers that are set out in the schedule to the bill could be a problem?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Robbie Kernahan said that NatureScot issues thousands of licences per year. With regard to the 14-day licence, it will be interesting to hear, in the next part of the questioning, how that will play out and what will be required of NatureScot.

In the context of the resource that will be required from Police Scotland and its current resources for enforcement, have you considered that a general licence, with conditions and reporting requirements, would be a better way of conducting such a scheme?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Aquaculture Regulatory Review

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I will ask a quick question on the framework itself. My understanding is that it will take a considerable amount of time to be produced. In the meantime, what are your observations on some of the issues in the industry that I have spoken about? Should priorities or technology be put in place before the framework?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Yes.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Okay.

In England and Wales, the number of prosecutions has been no greater, proportionately, than it has been in Scotland. What specific changes do you see in the bill that would make prosecutions easier, in terms of the way in which offences and exceptions are defined?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I am quite concerned about this, convener. I have seen hare coursers. They scarpered before anybody got there, which means that nobody had seen them. It was pitch black and they had torches. The problem with hare coursing is that the police cannot catch the offenders because they are fleet of foot. Although people might not necessarily walk their dogs at night in the middle of nowhere, the bill would still need to be clear about protecting ordinary dog walkers.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Before I ask about licensing, I would like to get some clarity—in writing, if necessary—from the Crown Office and Police Scotland regarding the concern about use of the term “reasonable steps” in section 3(3)(c). Lord Bonomy said that the courts would have no trouble with that expression. Why are the courts unable to manage that expression, which is widely found in statute?

I will move on to licensing. Detective Sergeant Telford, Lord Bonomy noted that, with or without licensing,

“The same difficulties of proof and enforcement would remain.”

With regard to enforcement and proof, what is your view of the licensing provisions that are set out in the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Surely you will have some examples of what there has been in terms of enforcement since the first act.