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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Okay. I want to open up the question to the rest of the panel, because there are certain people who believe that the agri bill is the panacea, and I am concerned that we are putting all our eggs in one basket and that everyone is looking to farmers for the solution—or, indeed, blaming them for the situation. There are many other things that should be looked at alongside this in a—to use that dreadful word—holistic manner. I wonder whether Tim Benton has an opinion on that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

I want to ask about the relationship between ecosystem resilience and food security. I would like to concentrate on legislation that is not connected to the agriculture bill that could have an impact on ensuring that we can grow more food locally or improve the efficiency and productivity of livestock production.

Earlier, I gave the example of rainfall and flooding. This question is for David Harley. The Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Act 2009 focuses on flood protection, but it does not look at the flow of rivers or the maintenance of soil quality and quantity. In order to help farmers to achieve all the things that we expect them to achieve in the context of the agriculture bill, should we not also be looking at other legislation alongside the bill, such as the 2009 act?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Last year, in Fife and the Borders, the abstraction licences were suspended, which had a direct impact on broccoli and soft fruit growing. Farmers were up in arms about that. One action that SEPA is taking is to ensure that there is more riparian tree planting to provide more soil stability on river banks—that is mentioned in one of your reports, so it is a bit confusing when you say that you are not the authority but you allow others to work and spend that money.

My point is similar to that of Roger Crofts from NatureScot, who has said that, instead of SEPA putting down concrete and spending ÂŁ1 billion on flood risk management, we should be working with farmers and using a catchment management approach to ensure that farmers and communities get the benefits. We need to ensure that the river flow helps farmers as well as communities, rather than expend all that energy on concrete and contractors when that does not necessarily benefit local communities.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

It does, but the point that I am trying to make is that, with regard to the agriculture bill, the issue is connectivity between the very many stakeholders, not just farmers. We have heard a lot about removing livestock, but I, too, could debate this issue for pretty much the rest of the day, setting out the benefits of livestock for biodiversity, soil stability and habitat restoration. However, this is about every single person—all stakeholders—having an interest in ensuring that we have good food security and all the rest of it and about improving farmers’ ability to do their jobs well. In the future, we might need to bring these elements together instead of just looking at them in isolation.

We have heard, for example, about the need for more investment in slurry storage. Farmers who have come before this committee have told us that they are putting their hands in their own pockets to do things and make improvements in animal health, animal productivity and efficiency but the Government is not giving them enough support to carry out measures or to meet the targets that the Government expects them to meet. Does anyone else want to come in on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Convener, did you notice whether anyone else wanted to come in on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

I saw Morgan Vaughan nodding in agreement at some of those points, and I just wondered whether he wanted to come in.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

We cannot eat trees, can we?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

I will give some context to show why I asked those questions, to make it slightly fairer, I suppose.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Can I just ask a specific question about Ian Boyd-Livingston’s survey, convener? How many people were surveyed?