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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Larry Flanagan has distinguished a couple of times between the problems that were inherent in the ACM and those that were compounded by the lockdown period and school closures from January to March. When our predecessor committee was scrutinising the SQA last autumn and in the spring of this year, it was very hard to get an understanding of what scenario planning had been done for a period of prolonged school closure during the year. What is your understanding of the scenario planning that was done by the SQA and by the Scottish Government last summer? The answer that we often got was, essentially, just the repeated affirmation that schools were not going to close. Are you aware of any scenario planning being done on the impact of prolonged closure on the certification model?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Would Seamus Searson or Tara Lillis like to comment on scenario planning and whether that took place?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Did you—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

That is fine, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

I would like to return to the questions around moderation and the issue that Oliver Mundell raised about the use of historical data. I completely understand the need for a level of moderation to ensure that an A grade in one school is equal to an A grade in another, but moderation that includes the use of historical data—school-level performance data—seems to do the opposite. We have had an attainment gap in Scotland for a long time—a socioeconomic attainment gap, as well as one between those with and those without additional support needs. Surely, any moderation system that uses historical data automatically puts more of a question mark over higher levels of achievement by young people from a deprived background compared with such levels of achievement by pupils from a more affluent background. If a class of higher pupils in Drumchapel had got straight As, that would have been viewed with more suspicion than a class of higher pupils from Newton Mearns or Clarkston having done so. How did you deploy a moderation system that included the use of historical data without simply having far more conversations with teachers at your schools in areas with higher levels of deprivation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Would you like to come in, Audrey? I keep firing more questions at Tony, but I realise that I have not given you a chance to respond.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

That sounds wearily like the exact same conversations that we were having this time last year.

I will move to a question on the moderation system. Seamus Searson, you listed the various levels of moderation that provisional grades had to go through before they were approved, and you spoke about the workload issue that that created. I am interested in the feedback that you have all had from your members about how much moderation changed grades from what a teacher might have initially been minded to give. Did that moderation process result in much in the way of grades changing, and was there a particular level at which that was most common? Did grades typically change on the basis of the conversations that were taking place at the faculty level within a school, or was it on the basis of conversations at a local authority level? Did the RIC-level moderation influence grade changes? Was there much change as a result of that process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Tara Lillis, what was your members’ experience of this? Did you get similar feedback, or was there a different experience?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Is there time for me to ask another question, convener?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

I completely understand that there is a legitimacy to that question if it is suddenly the case that there are 20 straight As in a class where that has never previously been the case. However, the questioning of high grades is disproportionately more likely to have happened in a school in a more deprived area.

Have you done any assessments since last year to check how many quality assurance conversations you had with school leaders in your most deprived communities compared with the number that you had with school leaders in the least deprived communities? Have you checked whether there was a disproportionate amount of such quality assurance going on?