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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

Yes. The national care service is a good example. I would maybe not share Unison’s view on that, but it is a tangible example. However, there is a lot of other stuff in the submission that ticks the boxes that Stephen Smellie outlined as priorities, such as free school meals. I presume that Unison has a main focus on increasing funding for further and higher education not just in the interest of equity for students, but because there are substantial numbers of low-paid workers in those sectors.

How can we prioritise between different areas of spending that would all raise the wages of low-paid workers, lift children out of poverty and so on? We cannot do all the things at once. That is the issue that we have. Should free school meals, public sector pay, more funding for colleges or more funding for universities be prioritised? I realise that, in principle, in a utopian world, it should not be a matter of choosing between those things, but it will certainly be a matter of choices in the next few years. We will have to make the choices, but I am keen to know what the trade union movement’s priorities would be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

At its core, it is the same question about prioritisation. Some of the tax proposals in Unison’s submission would require primary legislation, as they involve new tax powers. Given that the legislative timetable for the next couple of years is pretty tight, which of the brand-new proposals—the local inheritance tax or the replacement of council tax—would you prioritise for parliamentary and Government time?

09:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

Thank you. I would be happy to come back in later, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

Yes, we can put that away until later—that is fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

Thanks.

I have one very brief follow-up question for David Lonsdale. David, you made an interesting remark about your opposition to income tax rises for those of modest income. Can I push you a little bit and ask you to define “modest income”? Are we talking about the cleaners on 18 grand whom Stephen Smellie mentioned, somebody on an average salary in the mid-20s or folk on 40 grand who, with fiscal drag, are heading towards being hit with the high income tax rate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

I want to jump back to something that Clare Reid said a couple of moments ago. She listed areas, particularly in enterprise and skills, where public spending will be reduced over the next couple of years. I do not think that anybody will pretend that that is a good thing, but the SCDI is also against any new business taxes and opposed not only to increasing income tax but to having fiscal drag through keeping income tax rates as they are. If there are areas where you are looking to increase spending and there is new revenue, the conclusion must be that there are areas of public spending elsewhere that you would deprioritise. Could you expand on that a little bit? Otherwise, I am not sure how to resolve your tax position and the spending priorities that you have outlined.

11:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Ross Greer

That deserves further exploration in Parliament, whether by this committee or by the Economy and Fair Work Committee.

I have a couple of questions about industrial relations. I would appreciate it if everyone could answer the first question, which is for clarification. A couple of years ago, there was an NJNC agreement about getting each college to agree on a local dispute-resolution process. That agreement was made with the EIS and there was a separate situation for support staff. I think that most, but not all, colleges have now agreed a local process and have put it in place. I would like each witness to say what the status of that is at their institution. We could hear from those who are here in person and then go to Angela Cox.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Ross Greer

Yes, thanks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Ross Greer

I found Derek Smeall’s evidence on the role of the Glasgow Colleges Regional Board interesting. I acknowledge that Sue Macfarlane is in quite a different situation in UHI, but I would be interested to hear Ann Baxter’s perspective on what the Lanarkshire regional board does that individual institutional boards cannot do. I accept that it does stuff that individual boards do not do at the moment, simply because it exists, but does it do anything that it would simply not be possible for individual institutions to do?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Ross Greer

My next question is also for Angela. I am interested in your perspective because you have been elsewhere and are now in the Scottish sector.

There has been national industrial action in seven of the past eight years. Industrial relations in the college sector are clearly not what anyone would want them to be. I am interested in your reflections on how that compares to your experience elsewhere. Is there something that is unique to the Scottish sector that we can resolve, or have we ended up where we are because of the time that we are in and wider public finance constraints?