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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Ross Greer

In the first instance, I would be interested in your thoughts on the level of pay in Scotland’s colleges, specifically at senior management and principal levels. Do you think that it is justifiable that there are multiple college principals in Scotland who earn more than the First Minister?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Ross Greer

Will the Scottish Government issue a fuller response to the exercise? I accept that it is primarily for the unions and college management to respond to, but there is a role for Government here, and there are conclusions in relation to the Government. Will there be a fuller response from you on the contents of the report?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Ross Greer

Thanks for that, minister. Can I clarify on what timescale the committee should expect to see the Government’s response?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Ross Greer

Thank you. I certainly agree with that sentiment. If you look at pay growth in the sector over the past 30 years, you see that pay growth for senior management, and in particular principals, has completely outstripped, by a huge margin, that for lecturers or support staff.

10:15  

I appreciate that you shared with the committee the lessons learned report that Strathesk recently completed. However, I got a distinct sense of déjà vu when reading it. The report notes that the most consistent theme is the crushing lack of trust between the parties in the National Joint Negotiation Committee negotiations. In fact, it refers to it as a

“debilitatingly low level of trust”.

The report also observes the fact that that conclusion is not new—it was the key conclusion in the similar review that was conducted by John Sturrock five years ago. Why has no progress been made on resolving the core issue that is resulting in such regular industrial action?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Ross Greer

My instinctive position is that this is an appropriate point at which to close the petition. The arguments for and against an inquiry have already been heard, and Parliament previously considered that there was no need for an inquiry. The petition was held open for the purposes of the Children and Young People (Information Sharing) (Scotland) Bill, which the Government introduced to rectify the issues that came about as a result of the Supreme Court judgment on the named person policy. In the end, the Government withdrew that bill in the previous session of Parliament. I understand why the petitioners still feel the way that they do, but the arguments on an inquiry have already been heard, a position has been reached and nothing has changed since that point. The reason why Parliament kept the petition open is also no longer relevant.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Ross Greer

I have a couple of questions around industrial relations, which are for Shona Struthers and Andrew Witty in the first instance.

I am sure that you will have seen that, as part of this inquiry, I have asked witnesses in previous sessions why they believe that we have had industrial disputes in the sector in seven of the past eight years when we have not had that in any other sector in Scotland. Would you like to have an opportunity to comment on that, in the first instance? What do you think has brought us to the point at which that has become, in essence, an annual occurrence?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Ross Greer

On one level, I recognise that things have improved, because I have been involved to a varying extent over most of the years concerned. However, even with improvements, there has still been national industrial action in almost every one of those years—certainly, in every one of the past few years. If things are improving, why is there still national strike action every year?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Ross Greer

It felt a bit like you sidestepped the issue of principals’ pay, there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Ross Greer

I have a final question on boards. Derek Smeall has been mentioned; you might be aware of the evidence that he gave on the Glasgow Colleges Regional Board. Does Colleges Scotland have a view on that? Do you align with the view that has been expressed to us that it is pretty hard to justify why that regional board exists at all?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Ross Greer

You mentioned the latest lessons-learned report, publication of which is still to come. From that and internal reflections from within Colleges Scotland, are there further changes to the national joint negotiating committee framework that you would like? Is there anything structural about the process that could be improved? Some of the evidence that we have received and a lot of the wider public discussion on the matter comes back to challenging interpersonal relationships between people on the two sides who have been in the room for so long that issues have become entrenched. That is a cultural issue that can be resolved. Are there structural issues in the process that could result in improvement if they were changed?