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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Bear with me; it has been a long week. I will not move it.

Amendments 237 and 238 not moved.

Amendment 239 moved鈥擺Jamie Greene].

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you very much. That was exactly the summary that I was hoping for, and it all makes complete sense. I am very grateful for the opportunity to revisit some of those amendments ahead of stage 3鈥擨 will, of course, do so鈥攁nd I hope that we can make some of those changes to the bill.

On the point that the Labour members have made, there should be an opportunity to scrutinise any amendments that are lodged either by me or by the Government ahead of stage 3, so that everyone has a chance to feed in to them and consider the effect that they might have. When they come back to the Parliament as a whole, that information will be available to all 成人快手.

I am sure that the Government and I can work on those amendments together, to ensure that members are informed and that due consultation, if needed, takes place ahead of stage 3. I appreciate that it is a tight window of opportunity, but we need to know what effect those changes would have on justice partners. That willingness to work with me will be warmly received by many of the people who, I know, are watching the session this morning, and I am very grateful for it.

Amendment 246, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendments 247 and 248 not moved.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jamie Greene

I have not.

That is all the amendments that I have in this group. I move amendment 249.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Will the member take an intervention?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jamie Greene

On the latter point, the victims commissioner seems like a good place for the charter to live, because, if we are to create a commissioner鈥檚 office, it is important that it is more than just an expensive quango鈥攊t needs to have teeth. If the commissioner鈥檚 remit is very much to have a social contract with the public, in that they know that there is an advocate out there who is looking after their rights and whose sole focus and raison d鈥櫭猼re is to improve outcomes for victims, the relationship should be between the commissioner and the public鈥攊n this scenario, victims.

I have drafted another version of the amendment鈥攁mendment 236鈥攚hich would place the onus on ministers instead of the victims commissioner. It could be argued that the charter should be the responsibility of ministers. However, when I have lodged such amendments in the past, there has been quite a lot of pushback from ministers. Both options are available for the committee and, ultimately, it can vote on either option. I am interested in hearing what the cabinet secretary has to say.

Amendment 236 is a back-up, if amendments are agreed to that would remove the commissioner from the bill. I would still like to see the charter in place, so placing the duty on ministers is a fallback position. Personally, I am not that fussed. Victims want improved outcomes and all justice agencies to work together with a shared common goal. The charter is one method of achieving that. I will stop there and listen to what other members have to say.

I move amendment 234.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Happily so.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Will the minister give way?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jamie Greene

I do not disagree with that. The minister will perhaps share her feelings on the matter, but my personal view is that the victim should be informed of any sort of release, including when someone will be released on licence when they have come to the end of their sentence or when someone will be released for other purposes. For example, as part of the reintegration process, some people go back into the community to work and to participate meaningfully in their community.

I do not have a problem with that, but we do not want a victim to bump into that person on the platform of a train station or in a supermarket, which happens too often. There have been high-profile cases in which family members of someone who has been murdered have bumped into the offender because they have not been told in advance. At one end of the spectrum, no one is told, and, at the other end, everyone is told. I understand that, in the real world, it is not always possible for everyone to be told.

If my amendment 244 in its current form does not work, I would like to sit down with the Government and come up with wording that will make the system better, so that as many people as possible are informed, with as much time as is practically reasonable, in advance of release. I will not reiterate that point too much, because I think that I have made it.