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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Who was, then?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Did that person erroneously give approval for the business case?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jamie Greene

However, the individual did not face it. That is the problem.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Let us ask the new chair of the board. Mr Hinds, if you were sitting in the position that Mr MacRae was in at the time, would you have approved the resignation request or would you have preferred to go down a misconduct route?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jamie Greene

However, given everything that you said in your opening comments about the behaviour of the management at WICS—

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Is there perhaps a risk that Mr Sutherland has been used as an easy scapegoat for all the failings, given that he is no longer part of the organisation?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

That is a nice segue into colleagues’ questions about the future of the yard.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Let us talk about that. One of the major flags raised in the previous evidence session and in the report was the idea that all the eggs have been put in one basket, that being the small vessel replacement programme. The Auditor General said:

“if the yard was unsuccessful in securing work through the ... programme or if ... the shortfall was not backfilled by other ... avenues,”

there is doubt

“about the yard’s viability.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 16 January 2025; c 11.]

Other comments were made around that in writing and in the evidence from witnesses sitting where you are sitting. Do you accept that, in the creation of the business plan for the yard, too much emphasis or reliance was placed on winning that business? If that work does not follow through, does it leave a huge, gaping hole in your business plan?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Will that money be ring fenced? That is the question. Will capex investment in the yard be ring fenced?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Okay. Thank you.