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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice (Scottish Government Priorities)

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Jamie Greene

Perhaps I can move on, as I am not convinced that civil justice is currently part of the committee’s remit and we have a lot to cover.

You have raised some valid issues that are linked to the by-products of a two or three-year delay in a case for both the victim and the accused, especially if they are being held on remand. During our visit to HMP Edinburgh, I met a gentleman who is on remand awaiting his trial, which has been postponed twice. He has no real prospect of the trial taking place in the next six months. One could say that that person is languishing in prison having, as of yet, not been found guilty of a crime. There are clear human rights aspects to the matter and we cannot lock people up indefinitely.

What happened to the rule of thumb of maximum detention? We are talking about young lives possibly being ruined because people have been stuck in prison cells awaiting their trial for two or maybe even three years. That does not seem to be an intrinsic part of the society that we purport to have or to want.

Part of the issue is the problem of people. During our visit with the Lord President, we were told that, even with the best will in the world and all the Government money in the world, there would simply not be enough people in the system to clear the backlog. We know that the average age of those in the criminal legal profession is such that most of them will retire before the backlog is cleared. What are we doing about that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice (Scottish Government Priorities)

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Jamie Greene

I am sure that remand will also be raised by other members. I have a final, separate question. Why are so many calls to 101 going unanswered or being abandoned? What is being done about that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice (Scottish Government Priorities)

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Jamie Greene

Okay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Jamie Greene

For the avoidance of doubt, action 11 in the committee’s papers invites members

“to consider whether to agree with the recommendation”

to approve the legislative consent motion, but

“also that consent should not yet be given to the power to extract information from digital devices”.

However, my understanding is that, as a committee, we are voting solely on the motion as worded and not on any subsequent amendments or theoretical motions. Therefore, for the avoidance of doubt, I disagree with action 11 but agree to the motion as worded.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Jamie Greene

So, it is not the case that the Scottish Government has a problem with the principle of the extraction of data, which is perhaps how it was reported.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice (Scottish Government Priorities)

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Jamie Greene

I have several areas that I would like to cover, but I am happy to come back in later. The first area of natural interest is what happens next in our criminal justice system. We can all identify that there is a tremendous backlog of cases, which has a knock-on effect both on those on remand—I am sure that we will discuss that later—and on the victims who are involved. The backlog is huge, as is the challenge. We know that all the stops are being pulled out, but it is not just about increasing the size of the judicial estate; it is also about how we get through the backlog.

Which of the temporary measures to deal with the health emergency are likely to become permanent measures in the justice system? I am thinking specifically of virtual trials and the submission of written evidence rather than verbal evidence, which can be cross-examined and properly interrogated, for example. What concerns have been raised by the legal profession that some of the temporary measures should not become permanent?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice (Scottish Government Priorities)

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Jamie Greene

I want to note, for the benefit of the Official Report, that the Scottish Conservatives voted against the proposed cuts to the community payback order disposals—and, I think, rightly so.

I want to address an elephant in the room that has been present in previous committee meetings with previous cabinet secretaries and which will no doubt be the source of endless conversation as we move forward: the endemic problem of drugs in our prisons. The statistics speak for themselves. In 2007, around 200 prisoners were identified as having a drug problem in our prison service; last year, the figure was 2,200. I know that to be true, because on our visit last week to HMP Edinburgh, two prisoners spoke frankly to me about the matter. I hope that we can be just as frank today about the problem. One of the prisoners said that it was easier to get drugs inside prison than outside of it—and I believe that to be true, too, as he had no reason to lie—and the other told me that if I wanted drugs he could get them to me in five minutes. Is that an area of concern? Is this a rising problem, or have things stabilised? Indeed, is the figure going down? What is being done to address the issue?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Jamie Greene

I have a minor and brief point to make on the second instrument, which is that the fee increase is 6 per cent but no explanatory note has been offered with regard to that level or the rationale behind it.

Criminal Justice Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 22 June 2021

Jamie Greene

I have no relevant interests to declare.