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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I have a follow-up question to something that Kevin Hobbs said earlier. I asked you about the contract for the ferries that are being built in Turkey. Specifically, you said that there was no stipulation in that contract to use Scottish, UK or EU supply chain where possible. I have seen such clauses in other sectors, so I want to clarify who would have put that in, if such a clause had been desired in the contract to build the ferries in Turkey. Would that have been within CMAL’s gift, or would you have waited for instruction from the Scottish Government to put that in as part of the contractual criteria?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I want to pick up on the contractual relationships. I will put my question to Stuart Garrett first and then Robbie Drummond. There are obviously contractual relationships between your organisations, Transport Scotland and CMAL. Earlier, the committee heard from our Norwegian witnesses that, in their case, the contracting authority can change the contract. They described that as not bureaucratic and said that it is quite easy. They said, “We change the timetables every year and it is quite flexible.” That begs a question. Does the contractual nature of Serco NorthLink’s relationship with Transport Scotland and CMAL hinder your ability to provide service innovation or change, or do the contracts have in-built flexibility such that you can react quickly and effectively to changing customer demand?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

You say that the 12-month extension follows consultation with various stakeholders and that—you have just said this—you hope that it will alleviate the burden. Has it been reported back from the consultation with stakeholders that the 12-month extension is welcome, that 12 months is the right amount of time and that it will ease the burden and the cost? What is the response from the consultation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I have a final question that goes right back to what we spoke about earlier. CalMac will retender, one assumes—if you cannot confirm or deny it—and the tendering process will happen in September or October 2024. There may be a new provider or you may stay incumbent. If your CalMac was to go for that tender and lose it in 24 months, such that Caledonian MacBrayne Crewing (Guernsey) does not have another client, what happens to the crew employed from Guernsey?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

But not for a Guernsey company because that—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I am asking about the position more widely, rather than just the position in relation to the Church of Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for that. What I am hearing is that you are setting basic requirements, but you quite clearly said that you have demands on emissions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

The model in Norway is clearly very different, but we heard this morning that the Norwegian operators have a great deal of discretion over which vessels they run. Will you clarify your position in that regard given what the convener said earlier? How much flexibility and choice do you have in relation to the vessels that you run on particular routes? Do you just have to go with whatever CMAL or Transport Scotland provides for you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Robbie Drummond, I will stick with you. The committee has heard from Maritime Services Management that CalMac’s large ferries

“carry a far larger crew than required.”

We have also heard that the MV Loch Frisa operates with 15 or 16 people in Scotland, whereas it was operating with four in Norway. What is your response to that? If it is a fair point to say that CalMac is operating with a larger crew, why are you operating with a larger crew?