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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

COP15 Outcomes

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful. Unless anyone else wants to respond to that question, I will hand back to the convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Just for completeness, how much is it going to cost? What is the total funding required to achieve what it sounds like you are trying to achieve?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I have one final question at this stage. In your opening statement, you mentioned the long-term plan for vessels and ports. I was interested in the part of the plan that states:

“We will reduce the average age of the fleet to around 15 years by the end of this decade.â€

In our earlier session today, representatives from CMAL talked about their plans to do that. They are reasonably confident that they will be able to achieve that, but they also talked about the cost of doing so. You might have heard the chief executive say right at the end that CMAL needs money to replace ferries. I think that I heard them say that the cost of that was £1.4 billion even before inflation reached its current level. Do you have an idea of the cost—adjusted for inflation—of achieving a fleet with an average age of 15 years by the end of the decade, and will CMAL have enough money to do that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I would be very grateful for that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Good morning. Before I come to a substantive question, as the convener asked about procurement, there is an issue that I wondered whether Kevin Hobbs might help me with. I put in a question to the Minister for Transport in January, which was answered somewhat cryptically, and I wondered whether I could get a clear answer from you.

I asked whether there were clauses in the contract with Cemre in Turkey for the two ferries to serve the Islay route that stipulated that Scottish, UK or other European businesses should form part of the supply chain, where possible. Were there any such clauses in the contract?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand. Thank you very much.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I have a brief preliminary question for Kevin Hobbs, because I did not quite understand something that the chair said earlier. In her opening remarks, she said that the operator dictates the specification of the vessels. However, we have a press release from CMAL that says that it is considering a catamaran for a particular route, and the chair said earlier that you are looking at alternative tonnage. What is the reality? Will you explain who dictates what vessels look like and which vessels are ordered?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Yes. I have a brief question about something that came out of the earlier session. When you were watching that session, minister, I am sure that you heard that CMAL did not stipulate in the contract for the new ferries in Turkey that, where possible, the Scottish and/or UK supply chain should be used. Would the Scottish Government have preferred to see that clause in the contract? Would it prefer to see such clauses used in the future? If so, have you indicated that to CMAL?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand—thank you. Sticking with that press release, I note that, later on, it says:

“We will only ever order the vessels best suited to the routes and communities they are intended to serve.â€

In previous evidence sessions, the committee heard from various communities that CMAL is procuring vessels and hardware improvements that appear not to be the best, or that do not accord with consultations that have taken place. If that is correct, how come there is a disconnect between CMAL’s position as stated in that press release, for example, and what appears to be the perceived reality?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand, but it was for CMAL to put a stipulation in the contract to say that, if it is possible to use Scottish suppliers, that should be the preference. It was for CMAL to make that decision.